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Grand jury votes to indict Donald Trump
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#612Many interesting posts here. One thing I wonder, is if they're trying to use this case as a precedent for further/additional criminal charges. If you prove one, then the subsequent charges become easier to indict for. Makes making subpoenas easier to request in a court of law.
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This also happened before he was a sitting president, so all the stuff about “Bush Iraq war crimes” and “Nixon’s burglary” and similar historical presidential baggage is mostly irrelevant, at least in terms of new precedent. The social/civil consequences of this sort of criminal indictment before election is enough to kill a presidential campaign and has enough times in history. As it should be. This is behaviour bef…
Trump is a fundamentally different player than Bush or Nixon. They were establishment in times the establishment wasn't nearly as hated as it is now. This just plays to Trump's strength as the ultimate rebel. In terms of game theory, this is a very different game than Nixon or Bush. Trump annihilated the Bush Legacy, and is hated by both sides of the establishment.
Which raises the question if one part of the establishment can protect you from the consequences of the law.
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My understanding from legal eagle on YouTube is that the payment was done illegally. Both in terms of taxes and in terms of how you are allowed to spend money on campaigning (she was hushed to aid the presidential campaign)
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Except he's not biased at all. In the referenced video, LE is clearly not sure the upgrade to a felony charge holds water. He explains the legal method that he thinks they're using.
For those that haven't watched, the summary is that falsifying business records is a misdemeanour in NY State Law. If it's done in pursuance of a felony, then the crime itself gets upgraded to a felony. LegalEagle points out the difficulty in this because the prosecution need to prove that the falsification was done in pursuance of violation election laws (which are a felony).
Yes, he obviously dislikes Trump, and for good reason, but that hasn't affected his legal analysis. Don't believe me? Watch his videos on Trump's impeachment where he says, in spite of the evidence, that he's sure Trump won't be convicted in the Senate because impeachment is, and was always intended as, a political process (as opposed to a legal process).
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I’m pretty sure that George Bush Jr. qualifies for way more charges solely based on the fact that there were no weapons of mass destruction found in Iraq. But no, hush payments to porn stars is a lot more important. Welcome to clown world!
I prefer my presidents not pay hush money to porn stars
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There was a fairly effective push to dismantle groups linked to Trump's electoral success [0]. They had a similar air of bullshit charges that only became an issue because prosecutors wanted to achieve political ends. It is weird, but it is likely he is being threatened. If they can get Trump arrested for this, they can certainly put Cohen in jeopardy. [0] https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/08/21/us/mueller-tr.…
Worth mentioning that Stormy Daniels claims that she and her child were threatened over this issue. > 'Leave Trump alone. Forget the story.' And then he leaned around and looked at my daughter and said, 'That's a beautiful little girl. It'd be a shame if something happened to her mom.' https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/stormy-dan...
that alone is pretty serious stuff, the hard part is proving it actually happened (if I was dealing with such things I would always record every conversation on some tiny recorder, not phone, but thats me)
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From what I read, the indictment is sealed. Does that mean we don't really know precisely what the charges are yet? I'm willing to wait and see. Also, from everything I've read, well defended people are remarkably hard to convict. This is as it should be, as it may let some people go scot free, but protects the rest of us. Convicting Trump will be hard. It might fail. Does this mean that charges should not be brought…
Since there is the concept of sealed indictment, why are all the indictments not sealed (or none of them)? I guess this is to preserve the person that is accused (because an accusation is easier to make than to defend, given the visibility decided by the media, supporters, etc)) - do why some are more preserved then others? Since the topic is a hot one, please note that I am from France and have no stakes nor interes…
> Since there is the concept of sealed indictment, why are all the indictments not sealed (or none of them)?
There are a variety of reasons to seal an indictment (which will only remain sealed until the defendant is arrested), one of which os to facilitate arrest and avoid flight, another is to protect information in the indictment for as long as possible, especially if there is information that may be sensitive to ongoing investigations beside that of the person indicted, or if there is concern for the safety of victims/witnesses identified in the indictment.
> I guess this is to preserve the person that is accused
No, it is not. It is mostly to protect against actions of that person or their confederates, not to protect them.
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#618Earlier quoted context omitted.
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Except he's not biased at all. In the referenced video, LE is clearly not sure the upgrade to a felony charge holds water. He explains the legal method that he thinks they're using. For those that haven't watched, the summary is that falsifying business records is a misdemeanour in NY State Law. If it's done in pursuance of a felony, then the crime itself gets upgraded to a felony. LegalEagle points out the difficult…
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#620I commented on my understanding of the situation on reddit a while ago. Copy/pasting here: He paid off Stormy Daniels to keep her from talking about their relationship. Paying her to stay silent is 100% legal, there is absolutely no issue with an NDA like that. The illegal part isn't the what, it's the how. Political campaigning laws set a limited budget for how much money you can spend on campaigning, which is defin…
Interestingly, I tried to Google one of the paragraphs from your paste and it returned no results.
When I tried DuckDuckGo, only HN came up.
I was curious what redditors thought of your response and what context it was made, but search engines seem to fall down on finding a great deal of what's been hidden on the Internet these days.