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Re: Google releases Bard to a limited number of users in the US and UK

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Post by jerojero »

nextaccountic wrote: post #560
aiappreciator wrote: post #482

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You are mixing up grammatical skills with logical thinking skills. Turns out, poetry, rythme, rap, are all low level skills, which the AI easily conquer. To master them, you only need to master language, but not world knowledge. Turns out, writing novels is the hardest thing for LLMs. GPT-4 still absolutely sucks at writing interesting stories. Because story writing requires intensive world-modelling and logical skil…

> Turns out, poetry, rythme, rap, are all low level skills, which the AI easily conquer 10 years ago AIs pretty much struggled to make a coherent sentence. As of 2023 this stuff is "easy", but what else will be easy in 2033?

Don't assume that because things have been improving fast that they will keep improving at the same rate. In an optimisation problem you might think you're doing a lot of progress but you might get to the end of the curve and realise you've been going down a local minima.

It's very difficult to say how much more will these things improve!

Re: Google releases Bard to a limited number of users in the US and UK

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Post by lyu07282 »

NelsonMinar wrote: post #526
neaden wrote: post #516

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Bard read this and now thinks it's shut down: https://mobile.twitter.com/juanbuis/status/16382891863514562...

The really remarkable thing is Bard learned something new within 6 hours. Is that unique to Google's model or does ChatGPT have quick updates too?

It's actually a bit disturbing that it just believes whatever it finds, really no concern for what is a reliable source? Like at all? What did google work on then for all these years of secrecy? Couldn't they have released this thing years ago? I did expect bard to be awful but not that awful, embarrassing.

I suspect Bard is a small variant of their best model it seems too significantly behind, they must've severely crippled it. It can't even decode morse code, gpt4 can even draw you an SVG and encode it in base64, for example.

Re: Google releases Bard to a limited number of users in the US and UK

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Post by vitorgrs »

aix1 wrote: post #283
sebzim4500 wrote: post #278

This hallucines way worse than GPT-4. Me: How many cities in the UK have a population over 1 million? Bard: There is only one city in the UK that has a population over 1 million: London. Me: What is the population of Birmingham? Bard: According to the latest 2021 UK census, Birmingham has a population of 1,144,900 people. This makes Birmingham the second-largest city in the United Kingdom. Me: So how many cities in t…

I was curious to compare this with GPT-4. How many cities in the UK have a population over 1 million? As of my last knowledge update in September 2021, there is only one city in the UK with a population over 1 million, which is London. However, population figures change over time, so it is always a good idea to check the latest statistics for the most accurate information. What is the population of Birmingham? As of…

Bing had the same problem, and seems to be because of this website https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/cities/united-ki...

It mentions less than 1 million...

Edit: You, Phind, Perplexity, all make the same mistake because of this website.

Re: Google releases Bard to a limited number of users in the US and UK

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Post by [deleted] »

dwaltrip wrote: post #227

From the FAQ[1]: > Can Bard help with coding? > Bard can’t help you with coding just yet. Bard is still learning to code, and responses about code aren’t officially supported for now. A little disappointing. [1] https://bard.google.com/faq Edit: Ah, on the blog post, they mention they are using their smaller model initially: > We’re releasing it initially with our lightweight model version of LaMDA. This much smaller…

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Post by japanuspus »

askvictor wrote: post #531
dTal wrote: post #484

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>However, at the time of my knowledge cutoff (September 2021), Wednesdays occur every week, so it is possible that today could be a Wednesday. A true mathematicians answer.

And yet ChatGPT is terrible at mathematics

Or at least arithmetic. And as the old (physicists) saying goes, you should never trust a true mathematician to use numbers larger than 4.

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Post by [deleted] »

Steve0 wrote: post #31
aliljet wrote: post #14

I'm still waiting for Hacker News to band together and simply start building an open model that does not require a corporate daddy like OpenAI, Microsoft, Baidu, Google, or anyone else. These models have no place being owned by corporations. The services that use these models are certainly up for grabs, but the models should be open. Who is trying to rally the community to this cause?

Check out Llama, Alpaca, Langchain, Dalai.

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Post by aaa_aaa »

whiplash451 wrote: post #533
karmasimida wrote: post #485

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I would disagree They will rollout to masses, which is as important as its performance.

OpenAI has rolled out to the masses as well apparently (unless I am missing something). Bard will be under intense scrutiny from the public in the short term. Any sign of weakness against GPT4 might kill the product in the public opinion. It makes a lot more sense IMO to throw money at the problem in the short-term, and optimize later. They are playing catch-up.

IMO, currently Openai api is slow and not ready for production use for real time scenarios.

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Post by dang »

eyelidlessness wrote: post #592
dang wrote: post #573

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Reflexive "Google will just shut it down" reactions were already a cliché 10 years ago. It's been tedious for a long time, and therefore is not driven by curiosity, and curiosity is what we're optimizing for. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor... Google really does shut things down—I know! But for a good HN comment, it's not enough to say something true—one should say something true that has…

I have no idea about you being recorded, but I have to admit I’m sincerely not understanding the moderation still. Is it really not enough to say something true? That saying something true which has been true for 10 years warrants moderation? That’s surprising, and doesn’t correspond to anything I’m aware of in the posting guidelines.

When something has been repeated often enough, it becomes tedious and boring. That makes it off topic for HN. People repeat these things anyway, but for reasons other than curiosity. Since curiosity is what we're optimizing for, we want to avoid that.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...

If that still doesn't make sense, consider this thought experiment: imagine a comment saying something true, and then another saying the exact same thing, and then another saying that thing, and another... now extend the sequence arbitrarily. At some point it becomes annoying and offtopic, no?

Another way of looking at it is this: when you hear a thing that you haven't heard before, that's what gratifies curiosity. In other words, diffs are what's interesting. Clichés have no "diff value" because everybody's already heard them many times. That's what makes them cliché.

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Post by logicchains »

deltree7 wrote: post #541
hbn wrote: post #200

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Google is an ad company. ML just happens to be good for targeting ads.

Google's cloud revenue is almost same as Oracle. If Google Cloud was it's own company, it'd be a fortune 100 firm. But you keep doing you, living with outdated information and grandma tales. I bet you'd still be telling this joke to your grandkids too

>Google's cloud revenue is almost same as Oracle.

What about their profits?

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