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this is pretty dumb, LLM isn't replacing any actual coders
LLM isn't replacing any actual coders... yet!
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GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices
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Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices
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Maybe, but that works both ways. Employees are often reluctant to leave jobs where they have a lot of personal relationships, or if getting a new job would entail moving to a new city/state/country, even if jumping ship would entail a sizable payraise or other improvement in working conditions. In an industry where remote work is the norm and changing jobs doesn't even require changing offices, people are much less l…
>Employees are often reluctant to leave jobs where they have a lot of personal relationships That sounds like having a life. I guess the alternative is to isolate yourself to a point where you don't have any personal relationships. No hard choices then.
A 2080 worker who works 35 years will spend over 8 entire years of their life at their job.
I have plenty of friends in real life and plenty of things to do, but I do value, at least somewhat a good work environment considering how much of my life I'm going to spend in it.
Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices
#613Seen on a related business networking site [1] a while ago:
CFO to CEO: What if we train our employees, and they leave?
CEO to CFO: What if we don't, and they stay?
[1] LinkedIn.
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Look, you can't have it both ways. People on HN are always talking badly about companies that don't allow work from home, or require at least a couple days in the office. Then a company says it's going entirely remote (not including the layoff context) and people shit on that. Which is it? As for the layoffs, I don't have anything to add to that. There a Microsoft decision.
I'll contend that while I've been fully taken advantage of remote work (and probably want my next job to be remote too), I still fully believe it's a long term "leading lambs to the slaughter" type of plan. Companies save big on remote in so many ways. No more offices. No more weekly happy hours (just do a company retreat every 6 months). They can now depress salaries even further because they have a wider pool from…
“Depress salaries” == “Now the person in the middle of Nebraska can make more than he could make before without moving to California”
Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices
#615I am absolutely certain this is to suppress wages and employee rights. It is a coordinated effort across the industry and should be immediately investigated.
I am laughing at your "absolute certainty." You probably meant "I have a feeling that I can't support?"
Would you call the previous few decades of tech employers bidding comp insanely high as they competed for talent "a coordinated effort to boost wages?" Why not?
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There is no reason to have this. Imagine how many lives they could've improved if they just donated a chunk of the money that allowed them to have offices like this to charity
You're right, absolutely. It's cool but the money they spent here is pretty ridiculous
Or you can view it as marketing spend. Getting lots of attention online from SWEs circa 2016 is far from a bad thing for a dev tools company.
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Was the pandemic hiring spree coordinated also? Just copycat behavior the whole way through imo.
Why would you assume that when companies compete fiercely that they are coordinating? Of course they werent coordinating. Whataboutism is a word that has been abused badly a lot in the last year but it seems like it fits here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
The person you are replying is making an apt analogy between dynamics that drove comp up and those that are guaranteed to drive it down. If one was not collusion, what's the reason to think the other one is?
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#618Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maybe, but that works both ways. Employees are often reluctant to leave jobs where they have a lot of personal relationships, or if getting a new job would entail moving to a new city/state/country, even if jumping ship would entail a sizable payraise or other improvement in working conditions. In an industry where remote work is the norm and changing jobs doesn't even require changing offices, people are much less l…
>Employees are often reluctant to leave jobs where they have a lot of personal relationships That sounds like having a life. I guess the alternative is to isolate yourself to a point where you don't have any personal relationships. No hard choices then.
The average tenure at most tech companies are around 3 years. I assure you that most of your “friends” at work won’t keep in touch with you three years after you leave.
Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices
#619Layoffs will forever be in the shareholder playbook as long as the market still keeps reaffirming these decisions with stock price increases.
Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices
#620Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'll contend that while I've been fully taken advantage of remote work (and probably want my next job to be remote too), I still fully believe it's a long term "leading lambs to the slaughter" type of plan. Companies save big on remote in so many ways. No more offices. No more weekly happy hours (just do a company retreat every 6 months). They can now depress salaries even further because they have a wider pool from…
“Depress salaries” == “Now the person in the middle of Nebraska can make more than he could make before without moving to California”
Maybe the HN fear of "depress salaries" isn't someone from Nebraska taking Cali tech jobs, but could be most likely a dog whistle for foreigners from abroad taking US tech jobs.
I don't live there anymore but in my home county in Eastern Europe, the WFH boom from 2020 brought in thousands of well paying tech jobs from US companies which might have never arrived if not for Covid. Tech workers there are making bank now, relative to local CoL.
Who knows, maybe this trend will accelerate now that the tap of zero interest money which enabled companie to out-bid each other for SV labor has dried out and many start-up and scale-ups need to actually be profitable for a change, they might look towards skilled remote workers abroad to fill their ranks till the next bull run.
Interesting times ahead indeed.