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Re: Promotion of alternative social platforms policy

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Post by jacquesm »

zeckalpha wrote: post #550
est31 wrote: post #108

When MS bought github many people moved to gitlab and started to advertise their gitlab IDs. I too put my gitlab in there. But ultimately, gitlab didn't catch on on a permanent basis: most devs still are on github, thanks to network effects. People removed their gitlab mentions. I feel the same with the "find me on mastodon" twitter bios: people will realize that only 50 of their thousands of followers can be found o…

I am at 96% of my follow count on Mastodon as on Twitter, and that is just for one of my accounts. If I include my main alt, I have more on Mastodon.

What is that in absolute numbers?

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Post by rsynnott »

wpietri wrote: post #578
Fetiorin wrote: post #385

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Be sure to get an archive of your Twitter data while you still can It worked for me in the past (a few months ago). Today, however, I can't even receive an SMS to make a backup due to having a Ukrainian phone number.

And it's not just Ukraine. Major UK provider Vodaphone is also no longer working: https://davidgerard.co.uk/blockchain/2022/12/16/twitters-dec...

Vodafone isn’t just in the UK, either. It’s the third-largest mobile network in the world.

Re: Promotion of alternative social platforms policy

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Post by Klinky »

9wzYQbTYsAIc wrote: post #595
Klinky wrote: post #544

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One could argue a clear definition of "cross posting" should be provided before assuming it'd be allowed. A policy like this is going to have a chilling effect regardless, due to the ambiguity. It's also a quite absurd for a free-speech platform to even have such a policy in the first place, even if it's attempting to reign in "direct promotion" rather than sharing content across platforms. > At both the Tweet level…

> It's also a quite absurd for a free-speech platform to even have such a policy in the first place It does make sense for a paid-speech platform, though. Also, as a thought experiment, if Twitter were a part of the fediverse, wouldn’t this policy essentially be the same as defederating from the prohibited sites? I’m new to the concept of the fediverse, so I welcome edification or enlightenment on that thought experi…

>It does make sense for a paid-speech platform, though.

What is a "paid-speech platform" exactly? Twitter is just going to be for press releases and advertisers now?

It would also be absurd for a node that claims to implement free-speech absolutism to defederate from any particular node. It would also be absurd to stay federated with nodes that you claim are prohibited while telling people on your node to still cross-post content from these nodes.

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Post by brigade »

modeless wrote: post #356
pixelmonkey wrote: post #208

Worth mentioning that this policy might have suspended John Carmack for this tweet a couple days ago, announcing his resignation from Meta: https://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/1603931899810004994... This is a very, very, very bad policy and shows with absolute clarity that Twitter is far from a free speech platform. Which deeply saddens me. Imagine how absurd it would be for Reddit or Hacker News to have a polic…

Carmack was clearly cross-posting, not promoting Facebook. Twitter doesn't generally allow long form posts like that, so it clearly falls under the cross-posting part of the policy. I don't like this policy either, but let's not make up reasons for it to be bad. There are plenty of real reasons.

I think we all know exactly how this policy is enforced: a regex for banned URLs. If whatever regex they come up with matches the link Carmack posted, it's banned.

If not, it's banned if it personally catches the negative attention of Musk. Arguing over what the policy nominally bans is meaningless.

Re: Promotion of alternative social platforms policy

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Post by jacquesm »

hakanderyal wrote: post #557

PG just announced he is moving to Mastodon[0][1]. This policy can be rolled back, but the trust is eroding, and it's much harder to rebuild. People will be more and more afraid of spending time&effort to cultivate an audience on Twitter. For me, it'll require a leadership/ownership change, which is not that likely? PG can do it, his audience will follow. Not everyone has that luxury. Especially for those who are at t…

Smart man. Paul has carried water for Elon in the past when few would have done so publicly and for him to call this is a big milestone.

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Post by SpacePortKnight »

haxiomic wrote: post #555
SpacePortKnight wrote: post #531

Unlike the majority of comments here, I think its fine & rather quite impressive actually. Doesn't it look like how you would normally experiment to discover more about something? You try out several edge cases, observe the results and learn from it. Twitter is likely using extensive telemetry to observe the behavior of it's users and is now just running extreme experiments until they find something that shoots up th…

This is a great plan if you're working with rocks or particles but these are human beings, once they distrust you it's pretty hard to get that back. Technologists treating human beings as inanimate objects of optimisation captures what I find so disheartening about the trends in our field

Ethically I agree and yet it'll certainly be interesting if this strategy works. It may bring in new discoveries on how people organize themselves on social media and how a new social media can be created or destroyed.

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Post by klabb3 »

legutierr wrote: post #131
afandian wrote: post #44

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I mean, what a great way to find out about alternatives. I'd never heard of "Post" and "Nostr".

Nostr is perhaps the most interesting of the list. Fully decentralized; messages are cryptographically signed; users are identified by their private keys; following is done on the client side, with no stateful server-side component; messages broadcast via stateless relays. https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nostr https://github.com/aljazceru/awesome-nostr Overall design seems very simple. It feels a bit like email, in…

Nostr is awesome from a technical POV. And they have something that very few projects today get - which is reduced scope.

Their critique of both centralized and dweb alternatives are mostly spot on. The elephant in the room though is whether people-oriented broadcast social media (those with a strong emphasis on one-directional “followers” and personalities) can ever be good. If Nostr was content oriented like Reddit or HN, I would have already started using it. The good news is that it can probably be retrofitted, or at least replicated easily, while adhering to the same technical architecture.

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Post by jacquesm »

NelsonMinar wrote: post #495
Fetiorin wrote: post #385

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> Be sure to get an archive of your Twitter data while you still can It worked for me in the past (a few months ago). Today, however, I can't even receive an SMS to make a backup due to having a Ukrainian phone number.

Ugh, sorry to hear about the SMS problem. One weird thing I noticed: Twitter wanted me to use an Email/SMS for two factor even though I have a registered TOTP token to log in to Twitter. I think that's been the case for awhile, not a new change, but still strange.

This is precisely how large, relatively well engineered services die if you leave them unattended for too long. The machine needs a little bit of oil every now and then and there are always new modes of failure found. Those then start to accrue to the point where they become user visible.

Re: Promotion of alternative social platforms policy

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Post by BryantD »

BryantD wrote: post #566
haxiomic wrote: post #84

Let’s help people get off this ship Tools to migrate to mastodon: Archive your data and repost to mastodon: https://twitter.com/settings/download_your_data https://github.com/FGRibreau/import-tweets-to-mastodon Find accounts you follow on mastodon: Browser Extension - https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/mastodon-handles-i... Using API - https://debirdify.pruvisto.org/ (thanks @guerrilla) - https://www.movetodon…

In-browser tool for creating an HTML version of your Twitter archives: https://tinysubversions.com/twitter-archive/make-your-own/ Easy tool for making your own linktree clone: https://glitch.com/glitch-in-bio

One more easy trick for making yourself more discoverable on Mastodon: https://blog.maartenballiauw.be/post/2022/11/05/mastodon-own...

Re: Promotion of alternative social platforms policy

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Post by viraptor »

belst wrote: post #487

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1533616384747442176

To save a click, it's Elon a few months back tweeting "The acid test for any two competing socioeconomic systems is which side needs to build a wall to keep people from escaping? That’s the bad one!"
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