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Post by bondarchuk »

AlexandrB wrote: post #455
logicalmonster wrote: post #390

How could an average outside observer distinguish between another's mental illness and a guy who's just a real out of the box thinker who might be wrong about many ideas but might also add value to the world by perceiving reality in an atypical way? A lot of posters are claiming Kanye is mentally ill and unable to manage his own affairs. What is the direct evidence of this? And I don't simply mean "provide examples o…

> I think it's pretty dangerous to be labeling people involved in the national dialogue as mentally ill without a diagnosis, or at least some substantial and direct evidence. I think this is a lot less dangerous than you think. When people throw around terms like "groomer", "nazi", and "abuser" with reckless abandon, labelling someone as "bipolar" hardly compares. Ultimately anyone that agrees with what Kanye is sayi…

There are specific reasons to be wary of the way psychiatric diagnosis is used vs. other insults: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry

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Post by [deleted] »

sangnoir wrote: post #577
letterlib wrote: post #420

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There are a lot of examples of this and the left has had some truly great advocates for free speech. In terms of time period, the Red Scare and Mccarthyism was a time when the left was being heavily censored by the right. The Civil Rights movements as well with MLK during the 1960s and then Frank Kameny in the 1970s trying to get rights for gays. Other leftist advocates for free speech include Obama, Elenor Roosevelt…

What counts as "free speech" tends to be subjective: was MLK pro-free-speech or against it? That depends on whose speech you're considering. I can give even earlier counter-examples with left/right flipped (e.g. abolitionist literature in the south). My initial point wasn't that it never happened, only to show there were never deliberate, strategic positions on free speech by the left or right- only messy tactical ci…

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Post by profstasiak »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #508
OJFord wrote: post #283

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Oh, I'm sort of aware of that reputation (of Fox News), but I just read 'Carlson', not a name I know.

There's some interesting footage of Tucker Carlson exposing the way Fox operates, from a decade before he became the main guy doing it for them. Very weird to watch: https://youtu.be/RNineSEoxjQ Why Tucker Carlson Pretends to Hate Elites

this vice guy is known for manipulation in his videos. I guess choose your bias type of battle

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Post by have_faith »

seanw444 wrote: post #453
triceratops wrote: post #434

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There's plenty of free-speech protocols, at various levels of the networking stack. TCP/IP. BitTorrent. HTTP. FTP. IRC. As long as you have an Internet connection, you have a voice.

I guess my point is about the adoption of said platforms. Yes, lots exist. They're too clunky or confusing for the layperson though.

Lay people don't interact with protocols.

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Post by citilife »

tptacek wrote: post #117

This is really a story about a celebrity's mental illness and public breakdown. If you haven't been following the news, West has spent the week saying increasingly unhinged things, not just about politics but about Pete Davidson, his wife, and (if I'm remembering right) his kids and the fake actor children that have been installed in his former home to corrupt them. He was interviewed for a show on Fox and a big chun…

> This is really a story about a celebrity's mental illness and public breakdown.

I find this take interesting -- Kanye is insanely successful in multiple categories. He is very eccentric and always has been.

> Kanye is now a Black Hebrew Israelite

That said, calling him mentally ill or having a breakdown is a bit... odd. There are tens of thousands of "Black Hebrews", there are MANY more Scientologists. Is Tom Cruise mentally ill? Maybe, but people can have different beliefs than me and I wouldn't call them mentally ill.

Regarding Pete Davidson...

> “The 78 media outlets that called me an abuser when I was tryna get that heroin addict away from my kids that was tattooing my kids’ names on him, Skete, Pete Davidson…” said West. Davidson has spoken about his struggles with drugs and borderline personality disorder in the past.

https://news.yahoo.com/kanye-west-hits-pete-davidson-0413485...

I think a lot of the tabloid press is trying to make Kanye sound crazier than he is. That's how they sell stuff. Don't get me wrong, he's a bit off and he'll say things in a hyperbolic way (which is accurate.. but the connected dots don't always make sense).

Anyway, my point is I think dismissing someone as "mentally ill" for having different beliefs or opinions is probably not the best. It's a fair opinion, but I wouldn't assess it that way. He's acting rationally for his belief set.

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Post by [deleted] »

logicalmonster wrote: post #390

How could an average outside observer distinguish between another's mental illness and a guy who's just a real out of the box thinker who might be wrong about many ideas but might also add value to the world by perceiving reality in an atypical way? A lot of posters are claiming Kanye is mentally ill and unable to manage his own affairs. What is the direct evidence of this? And I don't simply mean "provide examples o…

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Post by dudeinjapan »

npteljes wrote: post #589
dudeinjapan wrote: post #567

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Lol who says he's being exploited? The dude has a couple billion, one doesn't get that kind of money by being gullible and easily exploitable. He can handle himself. Do we even know the valuation?

>who says he's being exploited? This source, for example: https://www.yourtango.com/2021341546/kanye-wests-documentary... People can be abused and be successful at the same time. Their success doesn't exempt them from being hurt, in fact, it makes them even more of a target, while they are not less vulnerable at all. Also I haven't implied that he's easily exploitable. The exploiter for example can be a real pro at i…

Man, I hope someone exploits me by buying my documentary for $30 million!

...but seriously folks, this article is uses the word "exploitation" to mean "exposure" of celebrities' personal lives for entertainment/gossip (e.g. Marilyn Monroe, UK royals, etc.) Smart celebs like Kim K and no doubt Kanye cash-in big-time on this exploitation... it's hard to think what Kim K actually does aside from making billions off of her own "exploitation" in some sense.

Re: Parler acquisition, "exploitation" means "fleecing", i.e. selling an asset to him at far greater than the market price b/c he is mentally ill and doesn't know better (akin to elder exploitation.) I haven't seen a valuation, but Parler did a $16M Series B in Sept 2022, so you'd think that the valuation was probably benchmarked off that. Maybe he paid a small premium, but TBH back to my original point if he takes it seriously and grows it, it could be worth 10-100x what he paid.

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Post by breck »

citilife wrote: post #615
tptacek wrote: post #117

This is really a story about a celebrity's mental illness and public breakdown. If you haven't been following the news, West has spent the week saying increasingly unhinged things, not just about politics but about Pete Davidson, his wife, and (if I'm remembering right) his kids and the fake actor children that have been installed in his former home to corrupt them. He was interviewed for a show on Fox and a big chun…

> This is really a story about a celebrity's mental illness and public breakdown. I find this take interesting -- Kanye is insanely successful in multiple categories. He is very eccentric and always has been. > Kanye is now a Black Hebrew Israelite That said, calling him mentally ill or having a breakdown is a bit... odd. There are tens of thousands of "Black Hebrews", there are MANY more Scientologists. Is Tom Cruis…

I think you aren't being hard enough on Kanye. I just signed up for Parler (https://parler.com/breckyunits) and there are barely any ads on that site—he clearly doesn't know what he's doing.

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Post by LegitShady »

LatteLazy wrote: post #400
kbelder wrote: post #328

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That is not the case, and hasn't been for years.

I read the rules and the Wikipedia page and that's all I can find. What else is there?

https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies

why would you go to wikipedia to get a copy of twitter's policies? Anyways based on what you've said so far you haven't actually been paying attention. It's been year's since Dorsey went Rogan's show and took one his trust and safety lawyers with him to do all the legal talk so he could maintain deniability.

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Post by annowiki »

sangnoir wrote: post #391
OrangeMonkey wrote: post #318

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To those who espouse the idea that comments should be filtered for the greater good, I say 'You first.' There was a time period when the left was for free speech and the right was wanting to constrain it. Maybe its just a giant pendulum - there is no right/left difference when it comes to free speech - everyone wants to censor / filter the speech of the opposite side. If things come in cycles, then I expect the right…

> There was a time period when the left was for free speech and the right was wanting to constrain it. When was this - and can you give examples of left and right acting the way you described in the past?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Speech_Movement

Mario's "Operation of the Machine" speech is pretty good.

Also worth noting, often these groups were not quite as egalitarian as they're thought to be. SDS for instance had quite a bit of sexism in its operations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Students_for_a_Democratic_Soci...

I have no position on this debate, I just thought you'd want a little context.

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