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Re: What “diversity and inclusion” means at Microsoft

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Post by 31337Logic »

nsxwolf wrote: post #456

I shut my mouth at work and go along with this stuff because I have no choice. I have a family to take care of. I've accepted this. But man, why do they always throw in the line about striving to make the workplace a "diverse and inclusive culture where everyone can bring their full and authentic self"? Everyone knows that's a goddamn lie. I almost want to cry when I read that - it makes me so angry. I haven't been a…

This might be the most honest comment over ever read on THN. Thanks for posting it.

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Post by uup »

nonethewiser wrote: post #414
Dig1t wrote: post #382

I work at a different FAANG and it seems like more and more the only news that we get from corporate is related to DEI. Also a lot of hiring details are now hidden from ICs. It used to be that you would be apart of the interview panel as an interviewer and then you would get together with your team afterwards and everyone on the team would vote yes/no and that would pretty much be it. Now it’s made by a manager elsew…

> I do worry that my kids won’t be diverse enough to be able to get into a decent school or get a good job like I was able to when they’re older. 1. A single person cannot be diverse or not diverse. 2. There is nothing wrong with your kids being in a majority demographic. It sounds like you're more worried about the world discriminating based off race and other traits. I suspect you agree with all of this but it's a…

A single person can be diverse relative to a group, though. Like a black woman would add diversity to a group of white men, for instance. When we talk about diversity in recruiting, usually we mean diversity of the candidate relative to the makeup of the company.

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Post by fallingknife »

SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #214
fallingknife wrote: post #139

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It's not the whole interview. Just the first part of many questions. You have to print a string abcdefghij... like abcd efgh ijkl... And you would be surprised by the number of people who it takes 20 minutes to do that. Doing it in 2 minutes doesn't mean you're competent, but taking 20 damn sure means you're not

20 minutes might just be interview anxiety, especially if it’s a first question in the interview.

Then they have 70 minutes to recover. It never happens, though.

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Post by int_19h »

chimineycricket wrote: post #97
PuppyTailWags wrote: post #36

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I actually don't think Tiger parenting is more special than, say, just investing in your kids more broadly. You don't have to be an authoritarian and still get excellent results by caring about the success of your children in society and also having the resources and means in which to perform that investment. More likely is that filters for immigration are very high, which means the average immigrant is more educated…

Tiger parenting is one way of investing in your kid. I agree, there are multiple ways to invest in your kid. >More likely is that filters for immigration are very high Don't agree with this, there are lots of ways to immigrate and I don't think most of them have a sort of wealth/education filter. For example refugees.

Refugees are pretty much the only category that doesn't have some kind of wealth filter, if only because immigration paperwork costs a fair bit of money (esp. when you look at it from the perspective of someone in a country where cost of living is much lower than in US).

And the majority of immigrants in US aren't refugees.

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Post by 31337Logic »

nyuszika7h wrote: post #446
tomp wrote: post #365

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This is a nice way to excuse your racism. A lot of people use this perverted logic. But at the end of the day, it's still evil racism. Different "worlds" (neighbourhoods, schools, health care) doesn't happen because of skin color, it happens because of wealth/poverty. So if you apply a racist filter on top of the (implicit) wealth filter, you're just being racist against poor Asian & white people.

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> You can't be racist against white people

Of course you can. And it's really easy, too. You simply discriminate against their race (or, as you have described, their skin color).

In case you haven't figured it out by now, if a human being can be lumped into a race, then racism can be levelled towards that person. That's literally baked into the meaning of the word racism.

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Post by int_19h »

screye wrote: post #432
Qtips87 wrote: post #110

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Agree. Asian is kind of like Hispanic, it doesn't mean anything in terms of ethnicities.

Hispanic is even more confusing given that the population composition of some "hispanic" countries is 90%+ white.

In US government paperwork, Hispanic / non-Hispanic is usually a binary category that is orthogonal to "race", and sometimes referred to "ethnicity". Thus, you can be "Hispanic White", "Hispanic Black", "Hispanic Native American" etc, but there is no such thing as "Black Native American" under that classification.

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Post by pedrosorio »

systemvoltage wrote: post #558
arpstick wrote: post #552

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minneapolis got hit pretty hard.

> In 2017 Portland ranked third. Now it has dropped to 66th out of 80. https://www.economist.com/united-states/2021/06/12/portland-...

The link has a paywall. Portland ranked third in what?

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Post by jablongo »

Georgelemental wrote: post #590

Wokeness is first and foremost a legal phenomenon. You must check the box, because your manager must check the box, because the VP must check the box, because otherwise some regulator or lawyer might get angry and sue. The civil rights legislation of the 1960s helped to destroy the evil of segregation, we should all be grateful for that. But the system that was once healthy and beneficial has now become a cancerous t…

This is wrong, the civil rights legislation from the 60s is now being used by Asians in current discrimination suits against colleges. The CRM legislation was colorblind, and therefore will be an enduring protection against discrimination towards any group.

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Post by Georgelemental »

jablongo wrote: post #618
Georgelemental wrote: post #590

Wokeness is first and foremost a legal phenomenon. You must check the box, because your manager must check the box, because the VP must check the box, because otherwise some regulator or lawyer might get angry and sue. The civil rights legislation of the 1960s helped to destroy the evil of segregation, we should all be grateful for that. But the system that was once healthy and beneficial has now become a cancerous t…

This is wrong, the civil rights legislation from the 60s is now being used by Asians in current discrimination suits against colleges. The CRM legislation was colorblind, and therefore will be an enduring protection against discrimination towards any group.

The text of the laws is colorblind. But the institutions the laws created were hijacked by radicals. In the federal agencies, univerities, and HR departments, those who serve the laws and organizations hemselves won out over those who served the ostensible purposes of the laws and organizations.

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Post by 31337Logic »

jalk wrote: post #459
Manuel_D wrote: post #277

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> You addressed the wrong argument. The intent is to give groups that are disadvantaged in the hiring process a chance. The intent is equity. Your example distorts that by shifting the balance in favor of an already advantaged group. Then anonymize the resumes so that recruiters can't tell which candidates are men or women, or which is white, Asian, Black, etc. You don't eliminate discrimination by setting caps on ho…

The New York Philharmonic Orchestra introduced blind auditions due to racism concerns - in the 1970ies. New York Times launched a campaign in 2020 to put an end to blind auditions as the orchestra is not diverse enough.

> The New York Philharmonic Orchestra introduced blind auditions due to racism concerns - in the 1970ies. New York Times launched a campaign in 2020 to put an end to blind auditions as the orchestra is not diverse enough.

There's your "white guilt" in action. Meanwhile, at the end of the day, everybody (regardless of skin colour) just wants to attend a damn fine musical performance. The fuck do I care if the musicians are black, white, young, old, fat, or skinny?! NONE of those are relevant attributes to being a talented musician who can perform well on a team!

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