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Re: Dear Chess World

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Perhaps play naked in a Faraday cage?

You could still run a chess engine offline on a decently powerful phone that would beat high rated players afaik.

Where are they getting a phone from in this hypothetical scenario?

Re: Dear Chess World

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But he's not a known cheater! He cheated as a minor in online play. He has never been shown to have cheated as an adult or in OTB play. Someone needs to prove one of those things before he can be blacklisted for being a cheater.

>But he's not a known cheater! >He cheated as a minor in online play. Certain kinds of cheating are not actually cheating? Or between 16 and 19 a switch flicked in his head and suddenly he's clean?

people are saying he should be banned for life b/c he cheated when he was 16.

Re: Dear Chess World

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A lot of top play ends up being a certain percent intuition. Him beings bad at explaining his intuition is the lowest form of circumstantial evidence.

You should see the sequence. He was totally unable to explain any lines he had in mind, stating some positions were « obviously winning » (where it was absolutely not obvious, and in fact the engine marked it as loosing), etc. A total disaster.

It isn't that bad.

Re: Dear Chess World

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Hans also is trolling. Who knows if he can't explain or just doesn't want to. It means nothing.

Hans trolling like this, as an admitted cheater winning a play far above his rating, would be an astonishingly bad move.

Yeah. He's also 19. Lol.

Re: Dear Chess World

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> Also, clever cheating devices have been found in over the board chess competitions The most convincing candidate for such a device I've seen is an Illuminati Thumper Pro hidden in Hans's shoe: https://illuminati-magic.com/products/thumper . If you watch the footage of him getting scanned before his match with Alireza (and, crucially, before Magnus announced he was dropping), there are a couple of subtle things that…

is there any thinking on how many bits of information do you need to cheat, and how many can be communicated via thumper? e.g. is the bit of information "move the knight" aka theres only about 4 bits of info, or is it "move the knight to E6" which is a good deal more bits, that could be lossy/error prone. just on the surface of it, i dont see how this thing could give enough info but i suppose with a loooot of traini…

One move is 12 bits at most. 3 bits each X/Y, two XY pairs for source and destination.

Re: Dear Chess World

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Hot take, but chess is a zombie sport. Software running in a smartphone can play deep games against each other. Chess engines aren't like car engines are to sprinting. They are more akin to text-to-image AIs but as though every single picture they produce is better than what any artist ever could produce. Part of that is because Chess is easily defined (the win conditions are comparatively simple). I'm rambling now a…

Machines can throw objects faster, further, and more accurate than humans, but field sports are still popular. It's interesting not because the object goes far, but because it's being done by a human.

There isn't yet a humanoid robot that can autonomously play those sports, though.

Re: Dear Chess World

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It's very remarkable that Carlsen is suspicious of Niemann's game against him in Sinquefield, since there's a clear consensus among other top chess players that there was absolutely nothing unusual about it (or at least about the moves played).

Some other top chess players voiced strong suspicions regarding his post-match interview (including the interviewer), because he could not suggest basic lines in the post-match analysis, lines that even the interviewer could find without an engine (and for example Hikaru while watching the interview, being able to say the line instantly).

Re: Dear Chess World

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This situation is creating an entirely new meta in the chess world. It’s clearly advantageous to have others think you’re cheating. Players should start deactivating their chess.com accounts, start a rumor that they’ve cheated, and then take advantage of other players’ mental state during competition. The only downside is that a top GM could shadow an you by claiming you cheated without providing any evidence.

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Well very many people think it's fun to watch sports or other competitions regardless of if a robot could do it better. I don't think anybody cares about if its "solved" or not, it's just fun to see humans interact in a controlled dramatic way I guess. Chess also has the added bonus of providing a lot of interesting puzzles for those interested, they can sit and analyze lines with engines after the games as well or w…

I'd love to watch robot football (the European variety) where robots beat humans. If they can do that, it's probably singularity time (or robot apocalypse). I agree that puzzles are fun, but cheating will be a problem for the competitive part. And I think it will degrade the appeal to watch/follow.

There's a deep learning bot that can play virtual football (rocket league) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xyuh5iy5Ito

The best players in the world can still go toe to toe against three of these things, unless they choose to intentionally avoid high flying shots. In which case this bot wins. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2ZtowNHhrQ

Re: Dear Chess World

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A key fact to understand in thinking about cheating in over the board chess: a strong player can defeat a much stronger opponent with just 1-3 hints per game indicating the strongest move. For example, most chess experts agree that a ~2600 rated player with 2-3 hints at key moments per game would be expected to beat a ~2800 rated player. Many people might assume that a cheater needs guidance every move, thereby requi…

Perhaps play naked in a Faraday cage?

You don’t need a faraday cage if you suspect he gets the moves from outside. Just put a 20 minute delay to the video feed and don’t allow random people in the room.
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