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I spent a year designing a low profile, minimal mechanical keyboard

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Re: I spent a year designing a low profile, minimal mechanical keyboard

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If OP reads this Switch out that selector switch for a knob with an indent. Its just annoying and bad feeling to free spin a selector switch like that. For stuff like scrolling and volume adjust, you want to be able to do it effortlessly with one finger.

Example of mentioned knob?

Seems they are called "scrubber knobs" if you google it.

Re: I spent a year designing a low profile, minimal mechanical keyboard

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It's a beautiful keyboard, no doubt, and I'm sure a lot of care and thought went into making it. For me, having no page up/down buttons (and you do have space for them), is a deal breaker. I can forgive the weird mac-like squiggle button on the top left although it's completely useless to me (and most people I assume), but not the lack of Page Up/Down. I actually use those.

Perhaps the rotary thing could be mapped to Page Up and Page Down. Then you could twist your way through a document with both speed and precision.

I'm using ctrl pg up/down to move across tabs in my browser all day long. I can't see myself rotating a knob to do that. It's a very different movement and it's not discrete, too easy to move too far.

I didn't notice all the missing important keys.

~ del pgup pgdown ins home end

And cmd and opt have no place in a Windows or Linux machine. There should be alt and windows/super there. Seeing cmd and opt constantly remembers the owners that they are using a keyboard for Macs. Maybe they'll build one for Windows and Linux if they'll be successful at selling this one.

Re: I spent a year designing a low profile, minimal mechanical keyboard

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Looks really nice BUT: There's a split between what people online post pics of on fancy desktop setups and what people prefer to use as their daily driver. Minimal keyboards are for minimalists, and people who like to show of their setups. Just like desktop vanity posts typically have speakers, yet everyone uses headphones. Anecdotally there was a post recently on some PC subreddit asking what keyboard people preferr…

> Only people who didn't WFH much, or didn't have jobs involving any data entry at all could do without a numpad. I'm (mostly) a software dev for 15+ years and I've never felt the need for a numpad. I'm curious now - have I been really lucky that none of my gigs have ever involved any substantial numerical data entry? Do other devs have to constantly do that so it justifies the larger keyboard (which is off-center an…

You are not living in a bubble, you are a developer. It seems that we use the number row and people making a living with Excel use the number pad.

A friend of mine confirmed that were she works everybody use the number pad except developers. She can't understand why they are doing that. I think we don't type numbers much. The times of BASIC with mandatory line numbers are very very far away.

Prediction to test my theory: writers and journalists use the number row too.

Re: I spent a year designing a low profile, minimal mechanical keyboard

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Cool, congrats and thanks for sharing, we need more competition here 1. raised/indented keys will get dirty really fast, an option without would sell me 2. 2-device pairing is great, your competitors have 3 though 3. hot-swap keycaps would be a huge sell 4. nice typography, why isn't the logo in it? take off the logo 5. replace the empty area with home => end 6. 3 modifiers on the left, 3 right please! (not 4-left/2-…

4. the logo is great! 13. website is just fine! nice renders

The logo looks like a designer from today was sent back in time to do the logo for the Apple II. I can recreate it in about 12 seconds going to https://displaay.net/typeface/tobias/ and setting "Altar I" in Tobias Light; it's not even kerned. KERNED!

Website has...character but at some point I just want big pics of the thing

Re: I spent a year designing a low profile, minimal mechanical keyboard

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Cool, congrats and thanks for sharing, we need more competition here 1. raised/indented keys will get dirty really fast, an option without would sell me 2. 2-device pairing is great, your competitors have 3 though 3. hot-swap keycaps would be a huge sell 4. nice typography, why isn't the logo in it? take off the logo 5. replace the empty area with home => end 6. 3 modifiers on the left, 3 right please! (not 4-left/2-…

Learned a new term today!

> 14. add clit mouse

https://xkcd.com/243/

Re: I spent a year designing a low profile, minimal mechanical keyboard

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> Only people who didn't WFH much, or didn't have jobs involving any data entry at all could do without a numpad. I'm (mostly) a software dev for 15+ years and I've never felt the need for a numpad. I'm curious now - have I been really lucky that none of my gigs have ever involved any substantial numerical data entry? Do other devs have to constantly do that so it justifies the larger keyboard (which is off-center an…

I reversed the numeric row of my keyboard layout so that the symbols are typed without the shift key and the numerals use the shift key. With that arrangement, a number pad is important for any meaningful numeric input. But as a programmer, I can't stress enough how valuable it is to type symbols without constantly reaching for the shift key. "Programmer Dvorak" does this as well, but then you have to learn a new arr…

The old Italian keyboard (up to the early 80s) had shifted number over symbols. Can't remember if caps lock worked on numbers too.

Re: I spent a year designing a low profile, minimal mechanical keyboard

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Amazing job! The keyboard looks great. I have a couple of question for you regarding how you built the prototype and how you are planning to manufacture it. I am building something much less ambitious but also a hardware project and could really use some answers to these questions. * How did you get the CE compliance? Did you literally just fork out a couple of grand and send the prototype to a lab to do it for you?…

As @yeutterg says below it is possible to self certify CE. For prototyping the body, I initially 3d printed it, then moved to 1 off cnc milling. For this I mostly used Geomiq (geomiq.com), which farms it out to various countries (mostly china from what I can tell), then they make it and send it to you. I plan to have the case manufactured in the UK — I found contacts for this because I happen to work in the automotiv…

That's great! Thanks for the info, Geomiq looks brilliant.

If you could go into more detail on the CE self certification that would be awesome. How did you figure out what testing you need to perform on the product to complete the self certification? The biggest source of confusion for me is this aspect of it. Sure I can self certify that all is good, but how can I be certain that I am not missing something that will get me into legal trouble?

For my own project the biggest source of compliance is related to the ESP-32 that I am using (because of the WiFi/Bluetooth radio). Of course the boards I get from Amazon and Alibaba all have CE written on them, but how can I trust that? I read that the seller has to give CE certificates but they always seem to have a serial number that appears fake (there was some database that you can look them up in and they always fail to show up). I also read that putting together components that are all CE does not mean that the full product can be considered compliant. So in general it seems like a massive undertaking.

Re: I spent a year designing a low profile, minimal mechanical keyboard

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The site describes the switches as similar to reds. Linear, no tactile bump, silent.

Thank so much, that covers the feel – I wish there was sound ;)

Changing out to your preferred switches with the sound and pressure you want is pretty easy with mechanical keyboards.

You just need to make sure and get low profile ones to go with this board.

I suggest dropping $20 on a sample pack to find your perfect switch. They are also great to keep on your desk to fidget with. https://drop.com/buy/assorted-mechanical-mx-switches-sampler...

Re: I spent a year designing a low profile, minimal mechanical keyboard

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This. The traditional keyboard standard may not be perfect but it used to be standard. I had muscle memory that served me. Now my client laptop, employer laptop, personal laptop, home gaming/photo desktop, media computer, etc all want to have wildly different, completely unique layouts, usually with massive compromises. "you just have to get used to it" assumes I'll have a single keyboard for prolonged period of time…

I disagree. I've switched primary keyboards many times: from cheap pc keyboards to standard apple keyboards, to minimal mechanical, and now the advantage. I also routinely use a windows workspace from a linux host which totally throws off my keybindings. One thing I think helps: I've had blank keycaps for the better part of the last decade. There's at least no visual cue saying this key does that thing. And now, I sw…

I mean, indeed, we are free to disagree when it comes to personal preferences. One of my keyboards is Das Keyboard with blank key caps too. But I would've used that to booster my claim, not yours - I can use that blank keyboard specifically because it's standard and same as my other keyboards:-). I spent hard earned cash on the t25 ThinkPad so I could enjoy a few more years of good keyboard before I have to switch to some modern laptop atrocity.

If you are switching truly different layouts daily, are fully efficient and have instant muscle memory with all, and never lose a moment consciously or subconsciously looking for a key, absolutely more power to you. I do not work like that. Having to hunt for Home key when I want to hit control-home drives me bonkers. Not having space between f4 and f5 is as silly as red turning lights - strictly worse for no actual benefit. Half height laptop up and down arrows are abomination upon IT Gods. And yes I've been a grouchy old man since I was a teenager :->

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