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Excuse me but what the fuck.
Apple becomes first tech giant to explicitly ban caste discrimination
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What. You realize that much of mainstream culture is drawn from the queer Black community, right? Voguing, house music, slang like "yas queen", "slay", "shade", and "tea", Pride parades, and more. And that BIPOC cultures have a history of third gender peoples? Two Spirit, fa'afafine, chibados, muxe, sipniq, etc. To say these things only exist because of white liberal sexuality is patently absurd.
White people are the ones who control “mainstream culture” and decide what gets absorbed into it. That includes things pertaining to minorities. For example, “BIPOC” is a term popularized by white people to refer to a group that’s most pertinent to white people—people other than themselves. Most people who fit the label “BIPOC” don’t identify with some larger agglomeration of “people who aren’t white.” They identify…
My experience doesn't match yours, we probably roll in different circles.
Agreed on Latinx vs the more pronounceable latin@/latinao.
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>Nobody seems to question why such a system (varna/jati/caste) exists in the first place.
Probably because it's assumed that reasonable know the answer: othering people and out-group hostility are utterly pervasive, even "natural" human behaviors.
>in fact, all the people crying for meritocracy are going to come running back to this system when they realize it is designed to be 100% meritocractic.
Unfalsifiable claims incoming!
>because it takes into account actions of your previous birth(s), not just the current birth.
You didn't even attempt to hide it. Boring.
>if you agree that not all humans are born equal (some are healthy, some disabled, some rich, some poor etc.), then there must be a reason for it.
Yes. It's how biology works. That's it, no need to order your understanding of the world around how the lottery of birth _must_ be a righteous and perfect outcome.
>If the reason is anything other than 'it is the result of your own actions', and you find that reason acceptable
Again, it's just biology. Whether or not I find it "acceptable" is a total non sequitur.
>then by extension, you have no problem with the government punishing YOU when I steal from a shop, or rewarding ME when YOU save a child from a fire.
Reminder that you've constructed this "logic" upon a total non sequitur, completely divorced from Reality.
>Because you have already accepted that anyone's actions can affect anyone else, or that random consequences can happen to anyone.
I'm not sure this even follows if I were to accept all your claims so far. Which I don't. Because they are very silly and clearly false.
>And as is the case with any ranking system in any profession in any ethnicity in country at any time, it is always the lowest ranks that complain about a lack of equality.
Funny, that. Those pesky inferiors are always complaining about their lot in life.
Claiming cosmic meritocracy as a justification for an _absence_ of meritocracy in the here and now ... it's always a funny thing to see the tortured logic of the truly privileged.
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Most likely they struggled because the legal language in policies was ambiguous on how to handle the situation, therefore opening the room for the manager to pursue action against the company for consequences for their behavior. It would have been dealt with sooner if the employee was white because (assuming they meant white as in western white skinned person) culturally there isn't an equivalent of caste that would…
> culturally there isn't an equivalent of caste that would make sense for a white person to act on Sure there is. People from English-speaking countries & Western Europeans vs "Eastern Europeans" and Latinos. Ignoring for a moment that using the term "Eastern Europe" is itself hugely problematic, though usually because of ignorance not racism, I have worked in one and heard of several examples where there were huge d…
I cannot really confirm that within Europe where I live at least. Using Eastern Europe isn't problematic either. It doesn't have negative connotations where I live, it simply refers to the country of origin. Southern Europe perhaps, but that isn't really meant too seriously and more referring to fiscal policies.
Companies pay their workers the lowest wage they can get away with. In some regions the wage level is smaller so people tend to accept lower wages. Unfair of course if they live and work in the same place but also not really discrimination. They have to demand more.
I doubt this is comparable to castes in these cases.
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It's nothing that requires much research. The current national government openly supports discrimination on religious and caste based backgrounds. 7 years of this, and people who used to think "Caste is a taboo subject, and we should be working around it", now think "Caste pride is cool".
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> it is always the lowest ranks that complain about a lack of equality. It is the sour grapes fox story all over again.
I wonder if you'd complain about them grapes if your caste's job was to clean toilets/sewers and nothing else. With no hope or support to pursue any other line of work, irrespective of merit or personal interests. To be humiliated, looked down upon, shunned all your life and be denied access to quality education, water, public services just because of the circumstances of ones birth - and it goes for your children too.
Merit has no basis in the caste system. In fact, it exists only to maintain the status quo. Case in point...
>If you're a warrior, and you have a son, you train him in your ancestral warfare, thereby giving him the best of nature. And if you had begotten him on a warrior lady, you gave him the best of nurture too. Both his genes and his upbringing are designed to bring out the best potential, benefiting both him and society. And your son automatically has a job waiting for him (yours) when he finishes schooling.
The rest of your message lacks logic or signs of empathy for people who'd been dealt the wrong end of the stick. Sure, not all humans are born equal, but to deny ones right to a better life based on social hierarchy defined millennia ago is downright evil and should not have any place in modern society.
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> it is always the lowest ranks that complain about a lack of equality. It is the sour grapes fox story all over again.
I wonder if you'd complain about them grapes if your caste's job was to clean toilets/sewers and nothing else. With no hope or support to pursue any other line of work, irrespective of merit or personal interests. To be humiliated, looked down upon, shunned all your life and be denied access to quality education, water, public services just because of the circumstances of ones birth - and it goes for your children too.
Merit has no basis in the caste system. In fact, it exists only to maintain the status quo. Case in point...
>If you're a warrior, and you have a son, you train him in your ancestral warfare, thereby giving him the best of nature. And if you had begotten him on a warrior lady, you gave him the best of nurture too. Both his genes and his upbringing are designed to bring out the best potential, benefiting both him and society. And your son automatically has a job waiting for him (yours) when he finishes schooling.
The rest of your message lacks logic or signs of empathy for people who'd been dealt the wrong end of the stick. Sure, not all humans are born equal, but to deny ones right to a better life based on social hierarchy defined millennia ago is downright evil.
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#618”Recently, talking about the incident to the New Yorker, Tanuja said, "A number of e-mails got sent to my VP, to the head of HR, to our chief diversity officer, to our CEO directly, claiming that the talk was creating a hostile workplace, that people felt unsafe, that the speaker was not qualified to speak on the topic and several other allegations." She also claimed that in tech companies, including Google, discrimi…
> ”felt unsafe”, ”hostile environment” etc. woke newspeak Were these terms not in use 40 years ago? I'd think these two terms don't fall under whatever "woke newspeak" is understood to mean these days.
Those certainly existed. But they don't say much on their own. What is considered hostile or unsafe is very subjective.
For some people direct language is hostile but for others don't feel taken serious by reserved expressions that evade a point. It often far more depends on the disposition if it is received as hostile or not.
I believe the criticism of woke refers to the certainty of declaring terms as intrinsically hostile. Blacklists or Gimp come to mind. But it is just a lack of understanding that criticise these words and try to change them. I think the vanity of those complying here is hostile and that they lack integrity and this is a problem in our industry. The same lack of integrity will have of course more significant negative effects than not using certain terms.
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> I've posted videos on here of white supremacists literally saying white people are a "superior bloodline", only to be met with "both sides" pedantry and apologetics. Interesting. I'd like to read those threads. Can you post a link, please? As an aside, you know that all of our entire comment histories are browsable and searchable, right? I couldn't find them. https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=elsonrodriguez&n…
It was a while back, here's the thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30329147 Unfortunately you can also see a more extreme example of this from the person who was just banned in this thread: > ...These threads don’t exist and never have. The real whites that get attacked just say that they want their own country and culture to exist. Me and the person making allusions to parler are probably just troubled by…
Wow. That is an accurate description of those replies. That is disappointing. TIL.