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Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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I'm right there with you. I voted for Bush in 2000 based on his education platform; when it was clear the war was a major mistake that he wouldn't admit to, I tried to vote him out in 2004.

So you’re to blame for an illegal war started after 2000? Because that was the initial, implied claim.

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Elections have consequences but electors sometimes need to come face to face with those who bear the consequences to remember that.

Voters aren’t responsible for war crimes unless war crimes were part of the election program. But blame yourself all you want. Your impotent guilt is not my problem.

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Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Somebody just hacked a TV station in Vladivostok, and put a documentary about Putin's golden toilet on loop

Are there any links to a recording?

Not in Vladivostok, but it seems that all satellite uplinks of Russian TV channels are hacked now https://twitter.com/a_latkovskis/status/1497627592677117952 . It means that all of remote Russian regions relying of satellite feeds for local TVs are now watching documentaries on Putin's golden loo, and Ukraine war feeds.

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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I'm Ukrainian activist for 10+ years, have been on Maidan, etc, know many other activists. Unfortunately, we have not seen understanding with any government. Looks like, all people who got to government or state organizations, work on classical totalitarian scheme - "for friends all the best, for all others - severity of the law". Mean, system is so much disbalanced, that any government got totalitarian power and doe…

> support Ukrainian army as private persons, without government/state. How do you hope to defeat Russia without coordinating with the lawful and most powerful institutions in the country? Note also that probably all foreign government assistance, especially the motherlodes of assistance from NATO states, including cyber, will be going through the Ukranian government. > You could just donate, or you could create some…

> How do you hope to defeat Russia without coordinating with the lawful and most powerful institutions in the country?

Unfortunately, Ukrainian government extremely corrupted, and Ukrainian army affected by this corruption.

- Ukrainian officials so much feared about potential military junta (btw, like Putin and all officials of exUSSR countries), so purposefully hold army weak, make all possible to assign least initiative army tops, and slow down reformation of army.

For example, I hear from insiders, that to build in Ukraine factory of NATO standard rifles/shells, West have to "hook Ukrainian tops balls", because all normal human measures where ineffective.

Other important thing, you may not believe, but just today I seen calls from most trusted Ukrainian activist, to buy to Ukrainian army food.

Tell me, how possible, army in Kiev does not have normal food supply?

- Even in USSR regulations, written, that every military unit, should have long last food supply for at least 10 days, and today is just 3rd day of invasion, and we hear calls. I think their supplies are just plundered by officials.

If you interested, later I will supply long list of what where designed for army in Ukraine, but Government does not made payment or used some other bureaucracy tricks to not buy those things.

> probably all foreign government assistance...will be going through the Ukranian government

Sure. Western officials MUST at least show, they act openly, because Western people will not understand.

But in exUSSR countries, many things are not done acting openly, because extremely large part of officials here working from USSR times, they just do not have modern habits.

And even young officials are not ordinary persons from street, but mostly relatives of old officials.

For example, after 2014 revolution, activists created database of Ukrainians with good western background, even from ivy League, who want to become officials, even considering extremely low compensations and begin from very beginners positions. - Totally about 3000 persons enroll, but less than 200 where accepted by govt organizations, and in just one year only about 30 still worked there, all others quit, because of extremely toxic atmosphere. - In Ukraine now near 300k people considered government workers, and approx 80k officials.

> How will creating business opportunities do anything to protect the freedom of the Ukranian people or defeat the Russian invasion?

You remembered me words of Poroshenko, who once said words, which every person lived in USSR or in other totalitarian country, understand absolutely right, as: "do not critique me! Or Putin will invade!"

And it is extremely important, that Russia invades its neighbors all few hundreds years it exists. And I have not seen any serious scientific foundations that this Russian behavior will end in some observable future.

So we have situation, very similar to Israel-Iran, one of our neighbor will be our enemy forever, constantly waiting for good opportunity to attack us.

You really think, we should not make reforms now?

Sure, I don't ask to drop support on official channels just now, but hot phase will not last more than cup of weeks, and than we will return to the same words, "do not critique me! Or Putin will invade!"

> Calling the Ukranian government undemocratic is a leading talking point of Russia and their allies. How do we distinguish what you are saying from them?

Easy. I talking with people, I answer all questions, and I learn, and act, but nearly no one of exUSSR presidents will. We name this phenomena, "they become bronze man".

> in this atmosephere, how can we take the word of an anonymous person on the Internet? Would you trust such a person? How would you distinguish them?

I'm understand your words very well. Because I have worked as CTO of startup, and have to hire people I cannot get much info about.

So what to do? - I have talked with few candidates, asked them questions; than I have tried to work with them; for some of them I created test assigns, etc. And yes, some of my choices where mistakes, but others where good enough fit.

You may say, that we in Ukraine should make similar, again and again choose new officials on elections, but Ukraine have elections for more than 20 years,and results are very far from good for now.

For example, Poland is just few years ahead, but their results far better, even 10 years ago, they perform much better, and last year I hear opinions, Poland just become country of 1st world.

So I have made conclusion, that I have to make something more, something other, than just participate in elections.

I'm not too much scientific person, to write foundations to trust me, I'm practitioner.

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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If you don't want to engage on the offensive side, there is plenty of work on the defensive side of things. * Detect and notify the Ukrainian government about threats or upcoming attacks. * Identify coordinated manipulative behaviour on social media. * Last but not least contact Patreon's management to release the funds that have been donated to Ukrainian veterans ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30461038 ) Fee…

Sorry but what? * It looks like there won't be a Ukrainian government to speak of in a few days. * Manipulative behaviour has been identified on twitter and Facebook almost every day for the last few years, and it hasn't really led to much anything. The Ukrainian government can't do anything about that, if the independent banana republics of FAANG don't decide to act, nothing is gonna change. * Likewise for patreon.…

Wow, I guess it's hat-eating time. Glad to see they are holding up much better than I anticipated. I mean, not surprising that I'd be way off-base, given that I know jack shit about all of this.

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Thank You for answer. What I see now, kremlin for sure have not prepared for long term war campaign, they just have not built hospitals for wounded (thanks to western sat photos, provided by official sources), and this is extremely important, because in real war, 80% wounded die within 24h if have not received medical care in nearest 1-2 hours. And if will be resistance, attacking forces will have very large number o…

You seem like a knowledgeable person. What does Ukraine really have, that Putin so desperately wants? And best of luck to you, dear friends.

For Russians, this is geopolitical question. What I mean, they feel themselves imperfect, if size of their country does not correspond with their weight in world.

Very similar to what WW1 and WW2 causes.

- In approx 1900, Germany becomes one country (before, there where many small principalities, and no central power lasts long).

So appear new country, powerful country, and they look on world and see colonial system, where nearly ALL powerful countries has colonies. I mean whole world where divided between top countries.

First, Germany tried to reach an agreement with top countries, to cut some colonies from other countries and assign to Germany, but without fast success, because pre WW1 agreements system where extremely sophisticated, and they just cannot rebuild this system fast.

Than German powers conclude, that they could faster got wanted if make war, that's all.

To be more precise, Russia is large, but economically, it's position is worst in world, except Mongolia. - Russia have longest in world size of land borders, near no borders on mountains, very little number of possible sea ports; extremely large territory is just ice, nothing could grow there.

- Russia really have reliable access to sea only in few places - Baltic, Black sea/Azov, and on Pacific, this is extremely little, for so large number of citizens (approx half of US).

BTW, current Russia situation is much better, than for example 200 years ago, because that time they had neighbors, who demand very high fees for access to sea. To solve this, Russians occupied their neighbors - 300-200 years ago, Russians near constantly invade neighbors and assimilate them into their empire, so now they have another problem, google Belfast.

Now, Russians trying to work less crude, they trying to place puppet governments in all neighbors countries.

Ukraine have borders with three EU countries, and is one of the largest counties on Black sea, so Ukraine is extremely interest for logistics.

And unfortunately, current Ukraine don't have effective government system, as I said on another comment, current Ukraine officials are extremely corrupted and extremely illiterate.

So Russians concluded, that Ukraine could be easy target for occupation and/or to place puppet government, and prepared for invasion and invade.

I don's think, Russians really plan to assimilate Ukraine, most probably, planned scheme where similar to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Pact

BTW exists excellent movie, very good show atmosphere in Warsaw Pact countries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridge_of_Spies_(film)

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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> If you really want to help Ukraine, better to contact volunteers-entrepreneurs, who where on Maidan, and who struggle for economic freedoms, and support Ukrainian army as private persons, without government/state. > You could just donate, or you could create some business opportunity, so Ukrainians will make business, export working hours, or export some products to world. This makes sense, but I wonder if this wou…

Most long term solutions don't work in short term, but you need to start them some day. One of the reasons why Russia attacked is weak, corrupt Ukrainian government. Other is economic dependency making everyone think twice before retaliating.

Agree. Thank You!

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Thank You for answer. What I see now, kremlin for sure have not prepared for long term war campaign, they just have not built hospitals for wounded (thanks to western sat photos, provided by official sources), and this is extremely important, because in real war, 80% wounded die within 24h if have not received medical care in nearest 1-2 hours. And if will be resistance, attacking forces will have very large number o…

Thank you for the insight. Godspeed. If you have links to organisations we can support from far away (with money, labour or lobbying), those would be appreciated.

Unfortunately my business colleagues are not answer fast, most probably all extremely busy, evacuate families and help army.

So at the moment, I could suggest most trustful for me organization and person, who are ready, and please be patient, I believe, after Monday hot phase will end, and people will answer faster. Also I will give more info as will got news.

Serhiy Prytula https://www.facebook.com/serhiyprytula/posts/505236280960977

Back and alive https://www.facebook.com/backandalive/posts/2231987336958691

For others, either I think they are ineffective (like official government organizations, which accumulated huge money, but don't have spent them), or they have not created reliable system organization, or I just don't know them good enough.

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Thank You for answer. What I see now, kremlin for sure have not prepared for long term war campaign, they just have not built hospitals for wounded (thanks to western sat photos, provided by official sources), and this is extremely important, because in real war, 80% wounded die within 24h if have not received medical care in nearest 1-2 hours. And if will be resistance, attacking forces will have very large number o…

> because have not enough medicine institutions to heal wounded. They might not care? Significant casualties might be part of the calculation, if it's an all-or-nothing move by their leaders. The existence of their mobile crematoriums suggest something like it.

> They might not care?

It is impossible.

I know Russians very deep, they are not demons. Russian outlook, as I know, is very close to just ordinary beggars, some are criminal, but not many.

So most of them have not strong moral values, but they don't want to be wounded or die. So they will not care too much, if they just need to press button or "just attach box to pipe in concentration camp".

And we also know, that Russian army is in reality not high tech army, most their weapons are based on 1960th technologies, no electronic computers at all, paper maps, old analogue radio, etc, so their technologies cannot work without people (US have large number of modern automatic weapons).

And even before invasion, we know about very low morale in Russian army, but if Russian soldiers will conclude, that nobody will care wounded, they will surrender just after see Ukrainians without any shoot.

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