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Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Post by sleepingadmin » Tue, Feb 15, 2022, 2:09 AM UTC

partiallypro wrote: post #408

WesternWind wrote: post #191

Some facts (and a few polls) suggest that the Trucker convoy isn't a broadly popular movement of truckers as much as a well funded tiny minority without broad support even from truckers. First 90% of Canadian truckers are vaccinated. https://newrepublic.com/article/165341/fox-news-vaccine-cana... Evidence suggests that funding for this protest is in large part foreign (IE not from canada) and that most canadian donat…

You can be vaccinated and not support government mandates of vaccines. I don't get why people can't comprehend this. Trudeau's handling of the convoy is not popular, and he's underwater himself on approval rating (despite previously being fairly popular.) The polling on the protests ranges from 44% to 25%, that's not a majority but it's not a number you can just ignore. Foreign money floods into the US for movements…

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Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Post by n_plus_1 » Tue, Feb 15, 2022, 2:09 AM UTC

cf100clunk wrote: post #43

650 wrote: post #18

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Canadian_pipeline_and_rai... "Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said politicians should not be telling the police how to deal with protesters and that resolution should come through dialogue" Millions of dollars in damage by these protestors (railway above). Protests for me, but not for thee. Vaguely remember stuff like: "Your right to freedom of speech stops where it harms others" (hat…

You mean CORAF (Charter Of Rights And Freedoms) and not Bill of Rights, eh?

Technically we have both and Canada's constitution is so messy the latter might also be in it.

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Post by ipaddr » Tue, Feb 15, 2022, 2:09 AM UTC

jpgvm wrote: post #359

ipaddr wrote: post #244

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With less than 32% of the popular support last election

So how did he win?

No one won a majority. It's a minority parliment. He represents less than a 1/3 of Canadians who decided to vote.

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Post by Banana699 » Tue, Feb 15, 2022, 2:10 AM UTC

not2b wrote: post #580

BitwiseFool wrote: post #132

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> "Protesting is not and will not be illegal." The trick is to categorize the protest as something else.

A "protest" that prevents people from crossing a border or shuts down a city isn't a protest. It is hostage-taking. The US First amendment has some good language on this: the people have a right to peaceably assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. Imposing a blockade does not qualify. If they just sit in front of Parliament and hold up signs and shout, but don't impede anyone going about…

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Post by TeeMassive » Tue, Feb 15, 2022, 2:10 AM UTC

mrtksn wrote: post #591

thepasswordis wrote: post #513

There are too many people making making similar comments to reply to all of them, so I'm going to make a top level response to all of them. The truckers are NOT protesting against the vaccine itself, and if you believe that they are, I would highly encourage you to find different sources for news. The truckers are protesting the idea that the government can force them to take the vaccine against their will. I would h…

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>Are they actually catching the truckers and injecting them vaccines against their will

Nobody said that. You're making a straw man argument.

There ware other ways to force than a physical strength and threats of violence. In Canada if you lose your job because of a vaccine mandates you can't claim unemployment benefits or welfare. I can't believe I have to explain this to an adult.

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Post by Zanneth » Tue, Feb 15, 2022, 2:11 AM UTC

amscanne wrote: post #93

> We’re not suspending the fundamental rights or overriding the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, we are not limiting people’s freedom of speech, we are not limiting freedom of peaceful assembly (or) preventing people from exercising their right to protest legally Pretending to express concern about charter rights with respect to towing some trucks away is quite the theatre. Meanwhile, Canada spent the last two years s…

Interesting that Canada has exceptions to their charter rights. Quite different from "inalienable rights" guaranteed by the US Constitution.

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Post by pm90 » Tue, Feb 15, 2022, 2:11 AM UTC

version_five wrote: post #596

thepasswordis wrote: post #513

There are too many people making making similar comments to reply to all of them, so I'm going to make a top level response to all of them. The truckers are NOT protesting against the vaccine itself, and if you believe that they are, I would highly encourage you to find different sources for news. The truckers are protesting the idea that the government can force them to take the vaccine against their will. I would h…

I think at some level most people know this, certainly Trudeau. But it's much easier to get what you want by pushing the narrative that these are racist, conspiracy theorists who think that vaccines have microchips or whatever other stuff gullible canadians actually believe people think. In my province, we have to show our "vaccine pass" to go to the liquor store, the hardware store, I don't know what else, I dont go…

> And I have to add, if there was ever a vaccine to disbelieve in, it is this one, I mean honestly, it "prevents severe infection" - sure, is that justification for state compelled vaccination?

Yes it is.

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Post by mrtksn » Tue, Feb 15, 2022, 2:11 AM UTC

version_five wrote: post #604

mrtksn wrote: post #591

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Maybe there is a better place to reply to this sentiment (which I find very difficult to believe is genuine) but threatening people with their livelihoods and their participation in society is just as much "forcing" as threatening with violence. We're a first world country, don't pretend forcing someone means holding a physical gun to their head

So they are not trying to vaccinate them against their will but it’s more like the driver’s license thingy, i.e. you can’t drive on public roads if you don’t have a license?

If that’s the case why isn’t worded like that?

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Post by irjustin » Tue, Feb 15, 2022, 2:12 AM UTC

sul_tasto wrote: post #588

sherry-sherry wrote: post #561

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Abortion is not in any way comparable with this issue. Do not try and force some 'common ground' argument where is isn't one.

It seems to me both pro-choice advocates and Canadian truckers are saying, “Get your laws off my body.” The idea that a person belongs to herself or himself is fundamental to both arguments.

The differences very much matter.

You being pregnant does not increase the risk of my pregnancy.

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Post by s5p » Tue, Feb 15, 2022, 2:14 AM UTC

makomk wrote: post #24

Headline on the front page of BBC News right now: "Trudeau vows to freeze anti-mandate protesters' bank accounts" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60383385 This feels downright dystopian, especially if the move away from cash and towards centrally-controlled electronic payment systems is anywhere near as widespread in Canada as elsewhere.

The individuals accounts ARE already frozen. The protesters are getting jail time, $100,000 fines and their trucks confiscated.

The rest of the truckers will have to obtain a proof of vaccination BEFORE they are aloowed to drive their trucks again.