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Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by aksss »

sudosysgen wrote: post #604
elipsey wrote: post #587

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So according to these sources, Canadian truckers don't have to be vaccinated. They just have to quarantine if they have symptomatic COVID. The first link says "On Wednesday evening, a Canadian Border Services Agency spokesperson said truckers would remain exempt from vaccination, testing and quarantine rules — a reversal from what the government had said publicly just hours before." My top hit on the search is a prim…

See, the entire reason these protests are stupid, is because what they're actually protesting is US policy that requires them to be vaccinated or test negative to enter the US. You are correct, they will not be turned away at the border coming back to Canada. They are protesting US policy in Ottawa because this is really auxillary to the political goals of the organizers.

It just might be the case that you’re focusing on the straw that broke the camels back while ignoring the bale of straw in its entirety.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by sudosysgen »

aksss wrote: post #611
sudosysgen wrote: post #604

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See, the entire reason these protests are stupid, is because what they're actually protesting is US policy that requires them to be vaccinated or test negative to enter the US. You are correct, they will not be turned away at the border coming back to Canada. They are protesting US policy in Ottawa because this is really auxillary to the political goals of the organizers.

It just might be the case that you’re focusing on the straw that broke the camels back while ignoring the bale of straw in its entirety.

If you're a trucker, this is the bale of straw. Other restrictions don't matter nearly as much even if you put all of them together.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by xmcqdpt2 »

refurb wrote: post #576
klyrs wrote: post #574

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Are those acts defined as terrorism in that jurisdiction?

Does it matter? I’d assume the penalty for funding felony arson and murder aren’t that different from funding terrorism.

In practice it's quite different. For example if you send money to a suspected terror group your bank will block the transaction and freeze the funds (that is, they don't even get you your money back), even in the absence of any crime.

They won't do this for regular criminals. Even if they know that a transaction is probably related to criminal activity, the bank will just file a report and complete the transaction. Except for terrorism financing and sanctions evasion, it is entirely the job of Law Enforcement to act on reports.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by aksss »

pessimizer wrote: post #239
temp8964 wrote: post #15

GoFundMe should be political neutral, but it openly turns left. I recommend a long post explaining this phenomenon: https://richardhanania.substack.com/p/why-is-everything-libe...

> GoFundMe should be political neutral Why? Are you advocating for ISIS to be able to do a gofundme?

Way to strawman!!

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Post by rayiner »

mindslight wrote: post #543
rayiner wrote: post #533

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> I'd say the larger difference is left activism is pro-social, or hyper-social in the extreme. "Black Trans" is promoting one specific identity, but not at the expense of others (apart from dilution). Left activism is anti-social: it elevates the sovereign individual to primacy. It rejects the legitimacy of the majority to impose norms and demand conformity—even when it comes to socialization of children. It replace…

While you've made valid points for consideration about the blue tribe's blindspots, you're riffing off a different definition of anti-social than I used. You're talking about larger appreciation of social conformity, where I'm talking about creating immediate conflict. Furthermore, US society is deeply rooted in individualism and so professing individualism is not leftist. In fact I'd say your framing does well to il…

> While you've made valid points for consideration about the blue tribe's blindspots, you're riffing off a different definition of anti-social than I used.

I know—my point is that you’re using a quite liberal sense of what’s “anti-social.”

> You're talking about larger appreciation of social conformity, where I'm talking about creating immediate conflict.

During her confirmation hearing, Judge Ketanji Jackson Brown claimed that she “wasn’t aware” that the Christian school where she was a board member espoused traditional views on gender and abortion. Why did a Black woman feel the need to not only clarify her own views, but actively disassociate herself from an organization that is completely normal for a Black woman to be associated with? Why did she need to imply that she might have acted differently had she known that a Christian school affiliated with a Black baptist church taught traditional Christian doctrine (as if that was a surprise?) You don’t think it was because of the threat of conflict from the activist left?

> Furthermore, US society is deeply rooted in individualism and so professing individualism is not leftist.

The US is more individualist than say China, sure. But most of the US, from the Puritan-descended WASP northeast, to the Midwest, to the South, never struck me as especially individualist. The west coast, sure, and maybe Colorado or Arizona. Recall, the US is the most religious developed country in the world—in terms of how many people pray daily, it ranks up there with Iran. The rhetoric of rugged pioneer individualism yields to communalism pretty readily in most of the country. In the small Iowa town where my wife went to high school, sports practices were all scheduled to allow kids to also attend church youth groups.

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Post by tandymodel100 »

aksss wrote: post #609
tandymodel100 wrote: post #119

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> protesters racists and misogynists That's probably because of the Nazi and Confederate flags people are waving. In my opinion, they should cry it out or quit given Canada's 1 dose vaccination rate is in the 80% range.

How silly is it to have a confederate flag at a Canadian protest, anyway, if not simply for shaping optics in the citizenry of the United States to tell them how to frame current events?? Screams of an orchestrated heuristic. If you’re aware of such a fringe factoid as flags appearing in the crowd but simultaneously unaware of the footage demonstrating these to be literally false flags you may want to diversify your…

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Post by throwaway894345 »

sudosysgen wrote: post #594
throwaway894345 wrote: post #579

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I wonder how partisan this anti-mandate resistance is. My gut tells me it enjoys a lot of support from conservatives but also a healthy amount of support from a lot of moderates and a huge swath of the working class regardless of party affiliation.

Anti mandate movements in general have something closer to what you said, but everyone I know that isn't right wing is embarrassed or angry at the convoy, even those who don't like mandates.

That’s interesting. I feel like most of my normie acquaintances don’t really know what’s going on much less have strong feelings. In general I get a sense of disillusionment among my normie/nonpartisan friends with respect to the CDC guidance, vaccine mandates, etc.

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Post by s1artibartfast »

seemack wrote: post #597
s1artibartfast wrote: post #341

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I think the real struggle is understanding the degree to which they are peaceful or not. Obviously nothing is black or white. As an example, I was once shoved by a person. People are not peaceful

Isn't it exactly that then? You were shoved into a snowbank once and put this forward as an example of people not being peaceful. Unsuspecting and uninvolved people are being shoved by protesters. Therefore, this is not a peaceful protest.

I think most would agree that not every single protester has been peaceful at all times. Now what?

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Post by chii »

pessimizer wrote: post #239
temp8964 wrote: post #15

GoFundMe should be political neutral, but it openly turns left. I recommend a long post explaining this phenomenon: https://richardhanania.substack.com/p/why-is-everything-libe...

> GoFundMe should be political neutral Why? Are you advocating for ISIS to be able to do a gofundme?

> advocating for ISIS to be able to do a gofundme

if ISIS isn't under US financial sanctions, then yes. GFM is not, and should not, be in the business of gatekeeping people's desire to fund causes they believe in, as long as those causes are legal.

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Post by sudosysgen »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #617
sudosysgen wrote: post #594

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anti mandate movements in general have something closer to what you said, but everyone I know that isn't right wing is embarrassed or angry at the convoy, even those who don't like mandates.

That’s interesting. I feel like most of my normie acquaintances don’t really know what’s going on much less have strong feelings. In general I get a sense of disillusionment among my normie/nonpartisan friends with respect to the CDC guidance, vaccine mandates, etc.

It's creeping in here, but it just doesn't translate at all to sympathy to the convoy.
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