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Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes
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Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes
#612I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…
I'll try to explain why I have an issue with what is happening here. Yes, I agree with almost everything you said. However, the issue is that platforms are consolidated. Depending on your chosen format of content, there are only 2-3 viable platforms to reach people - and for some types of content, only one. And if those very small number of platforms decide to, or are pressured to, delist content or a content creator…
Ok but in this precise case, podcasts have not fallen to mono/duo/trio-poly yet.
Joe Rogan made a decision to take the money and give in to a corporation trying to make a podcast monopoly a reality. Who is to complain when the inevitable abuse of power ensues? If it didn't happen now, when podcasts are still open and standardized, it would've happened later once podcasts became proprietary.
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It was Joe's content to do with as he pleased, and his decision was to sell it and allow someone else to do with it as they pleased. That's simple enough, but it's also simplistic because it assumes that property rights are the only thing we should care about. Which value is more important - property rights (which depend on socialized services like justice and enforcement) or free speech (which thrive by removing reg…
> It was Joe's content to do with as he pleased, and his decision was to sell it and allow someone else to do with it as they pleased. And they did. They published those episodes. Consistently with a free market, customers of Spotify should also be able to do with them as they pleased - listen to them or not, or even leave Spotify in protest. Instead, some pressure groups, the media, and a couple of unrelated musicia…
>"forced"
How did anyone "force" Spotify to do anything? Various people put public pressure on Spotify and Spotify took the action that it presumably thought was optimal for its bottom line. Which companies do all the time.
Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes
#614I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…
I think the most important part here is - does the spotify deal make JR unhappy? Does it make his audience unhappy, and thus himself? For example, if too many episodes are deleted, he will maybe not at all feel the fulfillment and happiness of doing the job he previously enjoyed. That factor ultimately decides if keeping the contract or breaking it is the better solution in the long run. Fans of JR want him to be abl…
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> Do they also complain about censorship and shout at the manager of a shoe store for not selling books? No. Censorship is the suppression of speech. If you don't sell a book because you don't think it fits your store, or you don't think it's profitable, that's not censorship. But if you refuse to carry a book SPECIFICALLY because you don't like the message, then that IS censorship. Some forms of censorship are illeg…
I really don't know if a HN thread is the place for like an abstract take, but I really dislike these "absolutist" definitions. You take a high-impact, emotionally charged word with a well defined meaning in its cultural context, rip it out of that context, apply the naive detached dictionary definition, and then end run around and shove it back into that high-impact context to your rhetorical benefit, where it would…
Taken broadly always was the commonly used definition of censorship, and progressives understood that until they got the power to censor what they don’t like through their economic power.
Then they redefined censorship to be only if the government does it. Thats having your cake and eating it too.
Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes
#616I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…
Part of a free market economy is criticizing, and not patronizing, products you don’t like.
I’m welcome to say Spotify shouldn’t “censor” (in the corporate media sense) certain speakers.
And I can cancel/encourage others to cancel their Spotify subscriptions.
And I can keep on using Spotify, but let them know I don’t like their conduct, even though it doesn’t (YET!) make me unsubscribe.
All free market.
Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes
#617I think I speak for the majority of people here. Before the Spotify deal, you would just see couple of Joe Rogan clips on YouTube and you have sat through maybe 3-4 entire podcasts. You don't care much about MMA or you don't think comedians are that important/hypeworthy as the JRE fandom would claim. After the Spotify deal you just slowly stopped even seeing the clips because for some reason you just don't care to se…
I haven't heard JR podcasts at all and haven't been tempted, even when I heard of him 2018-2019.
Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes
#618This is bigger than Spotify. Rogan was a proactive person conducting open research into the world around him. When proactive people investigate things and share their findings, it now only takes a few to dislike the findings, fuss, and have the findings removed. To those that support this, I have 4 questions: 1. Is disincentivising sharing knowledge really good for the world? 2. Is it reasonable to expect 100% of inq…
No, this is not how you do “open research”. He’s a shock jock ffs. A good one, maybe, but not Woodward or Bernstein.
I don't understand how people can accuse Joe Rogan to be a shock jock. I don't listen to him because he is sooo mellow.
Howard Stern is a shock jock, and a crass one too.
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#620One of the ironic things here is that it’s pitted Spotify’s brand as a music company against their brand as a podcast company. For people originally drawn to Spotify as a music service the departure of even a few icons all of a sudden makes Apple Music very attractive.
I switched from Spotify to Apple Music fairly recently and I am still shocked on the daily how poorly built Apple Music is. In the several years I subscribed to Spotify I never had issues of content not loading or choppiness in the playback, but with Apple Music it is nearly every day. The only thing Apple Music has going for it over Spotify (in my opinion) is that the recommendations are easily 10x better for discov…
Try Tidal or Qobuz, they should work.