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No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World Heart Federation

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Post by redisman »

darod wrote: post #285
kstrauser wrote: post #159

Although I live in a place where weed is legal, I don’t use it. I enjoy the occasional glass of a nice scotch, though, and I love a good stout or porter beer. This is where it gets a little strange for me: by every metric I can think of, I’d be better off replacing alcohol with weed. There seem to be fewer negative effects, it’s not a source of empty calories, and looks like a better recreational drug in every way. A…

"it’s not a source of empty calories" Until you get the munchies...

Healthy food tastes better too. Honestly I’ve grown sick of simple snack foods by now. I’d much rather eat a nice meal

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Post by redisman »

weedontwee wrote: post #427
kstrauser wrote: post #159

Although I live in a place where weed is legal, I don’t use it. I enjoy the occasional glass of a nice scotch, though, and I love a good stout or porter beer. This is where it gets a little strange for me: by every metric I can think of, I’d be better off replacing alcohol with weed. There seem to be fewer negative effects, it’s not a source of empty calories, and looks like a better recreational drug in every way. A…

Weed isn't legal where I live however its easy enough to access. A thing i really dislike about weed is in my (and most of my friends) experience its possible to just accidentally get to high and have a panic attack or freak out. While this is possible with drinking, I find its much more difficult especially when drinking beer as I do. It has to be a much more conscious decision for me to get wasted drunk than for me…

Weed these days is so strong, smoking a full sized joint is much like drinking a glass of vodka. If you do it more often you learn your limits and dosage to get that two beers vibe consistently

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Post by hi_im_miles »

kstrauser wrote: post #328
darod wrote: post #285

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"it’s not a source of empty calories" Until you get the munchies...

Hah, fair point. The Jack in the Box around the corner advertises: - Late night “munchie meals” ( https://jackinthebox.fandom.com/wiki/Jack%27s_Munchie_Meal ) - Delivery until 3 AM. That can’t be a healthy combination.

For me as a daily weed user, this "type" of munchies only persisted for so long. Curious to hear of others experiences, but after about a year of developing the habit, I became almost repulsed by very salty/greasy/sweet foods and started to crave simpler meals comprised of more fruits and vegetables.

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Post by RobertRoberts »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #295
RobertRoberts wrote: post #208

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Which drug will do more harm if freely available to all children? Alcohol, meth, heroin or crack? I will pick alcohol every time over the others.

Why am I forced to choose any or just one? Why do you think alcohol does less harm then any of the others? Currently far, far more children die due to alcohol than the others, and while that's definitely due to availability it's not obvious that wouldn't still be the case if all were legal.

> Why do you think alcohol does less harm then any of the others?

A simple test, give each to a baby/small child and see what happens... I lived in a time where babies were given tiny amounts of alcohol for pain relief and it did no harm that I ever heard. I doubt you can say the same for meth.

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Post by redisman »

azth wrote: post #572

> They ask you about wine (khamr) and gambling. Say, "In them is great sin and [yet, some] benefit for people. But their sin is greater than their benefit." https://quran.com/2/219 > O you who have believed, indeed, intoxicants (khamr), gambling, [sacrificing on] stone altars [to other than God], and divining arrows are but defilement from the work of Satan, so avoid it that you may be successful. https://quran.com/5…

I guess I need to try that sacrificing at a stone altar thing next

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Post by emtel »

zabzonk wrote: post #610
emtel wrote: post #568

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This is false - boiling the wort is used in probably 99% of commercial and home brewing.

Yes, but not all of the water - you would be talking about many gallons.

Please consult literally any intro guide to home brewing. They all call for boiling all of the water. I have brewed dozens of batches of beer at home and always boil all of it. I don't know as much about commercial brewing but I've never heard or read of partial boiling as a common technique in commercial brewing. (There is such a thing as "raw ale", but the fact that it has a special name to indicate the lack of boiling tells you it is the exception to the rule).

Boiling is also not only about sterilization. It is also fundamental to the character of the beer. It causes isomerization of the alpha acids in hops which is responsible for the bitter flavors in beer. It also denatures proteins in the wort resulting in clearer beer. See: https://www.love2brew.com/Articles.asp?ID=573

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Post by netizen-936824 »

floatingatoll wrote: post #552
f38zf5vdt wrote: post #379

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Another article from The Lancet from around the same time reported a whopping... 6 months of life expectancy reduction when consuming 100-200g of alcohol a week versus 0-100g of alcohol a week. [1, Figure 4] A drink is 14 grams of alcohol, so that means that your risk from consuming 150 grams, or over 10 drinks a week, is still relatively low in terms of all-cause mortality. Figure 1 also shows that consumption of 0-…

It is absolutely acceptable to knowingly exchange damage to body for healing to mind, and vice versa as well. But I still appreciate that science is gradually making clear that alcohol is not perfectly harmless, and that a large-scale health foundation is finally admitting that.

The mind is part of the body

Also contrary to popular belief, alcohol does not heal or help the mind unless perhaps you have methanol poisoning or are in the middle of a panic attack

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Post by allturtles »

tomtheelder wrote: post #582
allturtles wrote: post #576

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> any amount of alcohol consumption causes some amount of harm There is no guarantee that you will suffer harm from a single drink. What it really means is that any amount of alcohol consumption carries some (possibly minute) risk of harm. This is not, IMO, equivalent to "unsafe", which generally means something well outside the bounds of normal risks that most people already take on in their everyday lives. If we ac…

And medically those are unsafe. The crucial part, though, is that that's not at all to say you shouldn't do them. You are simply using a different understanding of the word safe than they are. This is a medical brief aimed at experts who should have no trouble understanding what claims are and are not being made. This is not a lifestyle or dietary recommendation. This is not a cost benefit analysis. This is a medical…

I would argue that if those things are unsafe, the term unsafe has no useful meaning, i.e. life is unsafe.

It's a policy brief, not a medical brief, it is pro-abstinence and recommends a variety of alcohol control policies, short of actual prohibition:

"- Call for strict regulation of alcohol products

- Advocate for minimum pricing of alcohol products

- Build capacity internally and among peers to promote cessation of alcohol use and abstinence from alcohol

...

- Prioritise alcohol control in national agendas for health and support policy coherence between health and other sectors"

etc.

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Post by AlwaysRock »

ericd wrote: post #601
AlwaysRock wrote: post #448

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This is a pretty odd comparison. Some amount of food/caloric intake is healthy or required. Too much is bad. Some amount of water intake is healthy or required. Too much is bad. No amount of arsenic intake is healthy or required. Any is bad. No amount of alcohol intake is healthy or required. Any is bad. Too much of many things is bad. Any amount of some things is bad. Safe may be an odd term for it but alcohols impa…

I’m guessing I’m not alone in saying that some of the most enjoyable, memorable, and positively impactful nights of my life were because of alcohol. To call ingesting it in any amount “bad” is way too reductive.

Which is why I defined bad. Meth addicts experience utter bliss and euphoria while high. I've had lots of great experiences drunk or while drinking. I've also thoroughly enjoyed utterly gorging myself on unhealthy or excessive amounts of food. I've driven too fast, stayed up too late, and generally done lots of things that are bad for me because they felt good or lead to some type of, at least in that moment, good experience.

It doenst mean those things were not bad for me. It's about being able to admit that those things were bad for my health regardless of if I decided the benefit outweighed the cost. Many people thing the cost of consuming alcohol is lower than it is and that the benefits are far greater than they are. I've had plenty of incredible experiences without booze too. In hindsight there were plenty of things I would have enjoyed just as much, if not more, if I didnt think I needed alcohol to make the experiences better in some way.

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