Lol software like 1pass seem so pointless in days of web browsers with sync and 2fa. Deadset not really much of a reason to use them unless your like...no Microsoft in your stack at all. But I mean your probs burning coin on all kinda stuff if that's the case so paying double for a built in func probably wouldn't surprise me.
1Password Has Raised $620M
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I think people can see that this is targeting businesses, but they're not happy about that because they're non-business customers. It doesn't bode well for the future direction of what has up to now been a good consumer-focused product. Like how Dropbox has gone from "a folder that synchronizes your files" to "an electron app for having discussion threads about files" because that's what business customers want.
Hopefully the consumer marketshare has some influence on business decisions, which might make it worthwile for them to keep non-business customers. This kind of strategy certainly works for some professional software, which is often even free for students.
Count on it.
Unlike many _other_ product companies, they all dogwood their own code. Also, IIRC all members of a team account are given a family account for their own use (you’d obviously have to convert if you separate from the company), so they are building for _people_.
Re: 1Password Has Raised $620M
#613You'd think with $620M they'd be able to continue to develop native applications and not 'have' to move to a javascript react monstrosity.
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#614Earlier quoted context omitted.
Pretty typical for people here to be zoomed-in on the b2c side of a business because that's what they use, and fail to see the b2b side, the underwater mass of the iceberg.
I think it's a little weird. I have used 1password at two jobs, and thought it was great, so I bought it for myself. They want money to sync my passwords between my Windows desktop and my iPhone. Seems reasonable to me. I program computers for a living and people pay me. I guess there was a free self-hosted type thing at one point in the past? That was before I ever heard of the product, so I'm not that upset that it…
I used to use 1Password when they just sold the application at a fixed price and I handle all the synchronization between machines. That option is no longer available. I'm one of the users who left because of this.
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They would've immediately halted cross-platform support or at least severely limited it due to institutional/organizational issues. Any 1Password subscriber not using an iPhone would soon be unhappy.
Although this could happen, I think it’s unlikely. Apple knows it’s a services company as much as a hardware company now. If you look at their existing services, they are not excluding non-Apple users. - Apple Music has a web UI and Android app - FaceTime recently added 3rd party links allowing non-Apple users to join calls - Keychain is being made compatible with Windows Chrome It’s clear from raising this much mone…
> Apple Music has a web UI and Android app
This is exactly what I'm referring to. I put up with Apple's website for more than a year as my primary casual-use computer became a Windows PC.
I work on iOS apps for a living. App Store Connect has always been terrible. Bugs linger for years. Elements continue to break in unexpected ways. The place where developers receive feedback from Apple is still hard to find even though it's immensely important. The website received a major redesign a few years ago and the bugs were still there!
Now apply that lack of care to a music website. Being forced to login daily. Asked to perform 2FA daily, so I need to keep my iPhone near me if I expect to play music. Songs inexplicably not playing, if play fails repeatedly, maybe a page refresh will work. Songs inexplicably only playing previews, forcing you to log out and log back in. Zero effort to restore your previous searches.
Apple makes attempts at providing services on the web. But for those of us attempting to use those services, the experience varies from subpar to outright hostile.
> Keychain is being made compatible with Windows Chrome
Again, see how people review this in this very thread.
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Simply providing the service does not mean it's good. That's what I mean by "institutional" and "organizational". They half- or quarter-ass what they ship, and then they leave it to rot.
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We have a corporate password vault and it sucks. If 1Password makes a compelling product and brings their considerable UI/UX expertise to bear on it, this could absolutely take off and make my life easier. With 100k individual users and its background as a consumer application, 1Password wouldn't neglect the non-corporate customers—at least until David Teare retires or otherwise leaves.
1password has a corporate offering. We use it at work, and while I haven't thought about to what extent it'd scale to a huge company it works very well for small ones with the ability to e.g. share vaults and manage permissions across users. But incidentally the same features which makes it great for work also makes it great for me to share access to vaults with my son for example.
I was speaking more about an enterprise product like Hashicorp Vault but I was quite unclear. I knew about 1Password for Teams (use Family personally).
Re: 1Password Has Raised $620M
#617Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think it's a little weird. I have used 1password at two jobs, and thought it was great, so I bought it for myself. They want money to sync my passwords between my Windows desktop and my iPhone. Seems reasonable to me. I program computers for a living and people pay me. I guess there was a free self-hosted type thing at one point in the past? That was before I ever heard of the product, so I'm not that upset that it…
I used to use 1Password when they just sold the application at a fixed price and I handle all the synchronization between machines. That option is no longer available. I'm one of the users who left because of this.
They used to offer synchronization via Dropbox. Is that still an option?
Re: 1Password Has Raised $620M
#618They will probably go Dropbox route. Dropbox used to be an excellent file sync cloud service with a robust support on many platforms. They did just one thing and did it well. Now Dropbox is positioning themselves as business-team-collaboration-streamlining-platform for everything whose software is balancing between poorly programmed malware and useless enterprise bloatware.
This makes me think that the real problem here is vendor lock in. If users didn't feel such a reluctance to switch between services then there wouldn't be such an incentive to bloat existing services rather than just building it somewhere else.
There is no real lock-in with either Dropbox or 1password. It’s trivial to switch.
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They have been doing some pretty unfriendly moves towards their long-term customers, like making sure the new 1Password cannot be used without 'the cloud' like the old one could be. I have no doubt raising more VC money will only accelerate such trends. In fact I've decided to move off of 1Password to BitWarden, since at least one can realistically self-host it. That being said, it's not exactly easy to migrate from…
Long-term 1Password customer here, no affiliation with 1Password or AgileBits. > They have been doing some pretty unfriendly moves towards their long-term customers From my point of view this was not hostile at all: I used 1Password with Dropbox sync for years and absolutely loved it as a personal password manager _for myself_. But sharing of passwords with family was a real pain. I gleefully signed up for cloud-host…
Long-term 1Password customer here as well. I understand you are willing to sacrifice security for convenience. I wouldn't mind the recurrent payment, I just cannot imagine to put both the app (which now is online) and the data in the same company hands. I couldn't live like that.
Re: 1Password Has Raised $620M
#620Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think it's a little weird. I have used 1password at two jobs, and thought it was great, so I bought it for myself. They want money to sync my passwords between my Windows desktop and my iPhone. Seems reasonable to me. I program computers for a living and people pay me. I guess there was a free self-hosted type thing at one point in the past? That was before I ever heard of the product, so I'm not that upset that it…
"Very weird to show it in the UI and then when you try to use it, quote you an insanely high price." How much did they quote? (if you're able to share)
Oh, it's on their website. It's $30/month for "25 vault access credits". I have no idea what consumes a vault access credit, but didn't want to pay $30/month for a personal project.
(At my last job, I wrote something to rotate the passwords on our network equipment everyday. I just exec'd the 1password linux binary, and that was free. Why should I pay to integrate it with k8s?)