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Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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How does one even game it unless you’re putting up fake photos? And at that point - what’s the point…? That person won’t date the actual you.

You still got to figure that part out. There are many people that do decently with attraction in person who wouldn't do as well in a visual app. Attraction in person is weighed by energy, actions, social validation and also looks. This method is more useful for people that can do that, but don't match preconceived visual ideals that the potential mates have, but passable. So replicating that in an app trying to emula…

You didn't really give anything particular that you've done except that you just create a new profile when you aren't doing well and try different content - which is about the most basic and well known strategy...

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

#612

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for what it is worth it was great being the last person around without a smart phone. I dont know how old you are but people use to be alone with their own thoughts. Amazing things happen if you ponder situations until satisfied with your own conclusions. the delay made for wonderful long form conversations. exchanging text like we are doing here doesnt build relationships either. if i would die in the next 20 min yo…

While I get your point, I am amused you are worried about "building relationships" with an account named throwaway14356 which kind of implies you are ready/happy to drop this account at any moment. :-) My view, not every relationship in the world is to be deeply meaningful or productive. I am happy if I get a nice thought or new angle from this blobs-of-text site.

The data is pretty clear that the only time social media is beneficial is if it leads to the formation/maintenance of long term relationships. Without that it's just entertainment, and entertainment that is not "happy" making for most.

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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In the US, "People, elected and held accountable by citizenry at large" found that banks were "too big to fail." They did not restrain "the power of the actors in [the market] in check." What makes you think it'll be different this time?

The US is not a good example of a functioning democracy. Our federal representatives have to represent 700,000 people. The state legislatures get to shape the federal districts, which means the representatives effictively get to pick their voters instead of the other way around. Our senate is grossly undemocratic, giving each state two representatives regardless of population, leading to minority rule. And our presid…

Where would this ”responsive democracy” be built? Libya, Somalia or some other zone of low governance?

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

#614

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What happened to innocent until proven guilty?

It's innocent until proven guilty in a court of law Are you suggesting that private companies should have to take their users to court before disabling accounts

I'm suggesting that HN commenters shouldn't automatically side with Big Tech just because the ban victim doesn't have proof of innocence.

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

#615
> It’s fine if it’s tinder, but what are you gonna do when the same will happen with your bank application...

It's happened with people's banks (or "banks"). Earlier this year the fintech middleman Chime began closing accounts without notice or giving customers whose accounts they closed access to their funds.[0]

[0] https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/07/the-chime-banking-ap...

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

#616

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While I get your point, I am amused you are worried about "building relationships" with an account named throwaway14356 which kind of implies you are ready/happy to drop this account at any moment. :-) My view, not every relationship in the world is to be deeply meaningful or productive. I am happy if I get a nice thought or new angle from this blobs-of-text site.

The data is pretty clear that the only time social media is beneficial is if it leads to the formation/maintenance of long term relationships. Without that it's just entertainment, and entertainment that is not "happy" making for most.

Ok. But social media use itself has to be placed in context of the larger attention economy.

For example, is it worse than watching TV/cable/netflix/gaming/multiplayer gaming/crafting hobbies/reading books etc etc?

To answer my own question, I think Social Media is worse than the other options mentioned above and so I have long drifted off FB. And most of my friends on FB are continuing longstanding relationships.

But I don't know the studies on that and I am willing to accept that different people do things differently.

For example, on this site, I like the intelligent responses, thought provoking discussions, sometimes amazing recommendations on any number of topics. But I don't feel I need to be friends with any particular individual to benefit from that nor contribute to it.

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

#617

IMO, if your market share is bigger than ${some number}, you shouldn't be able to deny service without a documented reason, it should have some sort of time-to-live (i.e 1 year), and there should be an appeals process. In a functioning marketplace, companies would be naturally incentivized to care about customers but that stops working in uncompetitive industries (which currently describes most of the economy).

Unfortunately there are scenarios where providing a documented reason or appeal is a vulnerability, illegal or both. A too-clear disclosure gives bad actors information on how to circumvent controls around safety, abuse, and fraud. If the reason an account is deleted includes some sort of KYC/Money Laundering issue, OFAC style sanction or child porn, then there can be legal obligation, with severe penalty, to both re…

KYC blacklists are generally publicly available. Can you provide documentation about your claims?

The only cases where I've seen service providers ordered to not tip off the user were actually associated with order of continuation of the service, to ... not tip off the user.

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

#618

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So let me get this straight. You think a contract where one party can unilaterally cancel, present no evidence to anyone, and keep the money paid is somehow fair and just?

It goes both ways-- do we think a contract with a fixed guaranteed term can be canceled with refund simply because the consumer decided to violate the terms of service? This is what courts are for, and the fact they aren't involved here is the basic problem.

They should be forced to show exactly why a user is banned. This bullshit about "we don't want to let bad actors game the system" is getting old.

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

#619

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While I get your point, I am amused you are worried about "building relationships" with an account named throwaway14356 which kind of implies you are ready/happy to drop this account at any moment. :-) My view, not every relationship in the world is to be deeply meaningful or productive. I am happy if I get a nice thought or new angle from this blobs-of-text site.

The data is pretty clear that the only time social media is beneficial is if it leads to the formation/maintenance of long term relationships. Without that it's just entertainment, and entertainment that is not "happy" making for most.

Where can I see that data?

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

#620

IMO, if your market share is bigger than ${some number}, you shouldn't be able to deny service without a documented reason, it should have some sort of time-to-live (i.e 1 year), and there should be an appeals process. In a functioning marketplace, companies would be naturally incentivized to care about customers but that stops working in uncompetitive industries (which currently describes most of the economy).

I disagree, I think the free market will take care of this on its own.

The "free market" is a sham
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