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Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by nradov » Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 5:09 PM UTC

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #366

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This isn't some kids bullying another kid. These are adults representing a national government. This is a nation bullying someone inside the United States for exercising free speech. The message needs to be received in Beijing, not merely Indiana.

> adults representing a national government Legally adults, perhaps, but I think we have a social consensus that most college students are kids. Their brains haven't fully developed. If they're coming out of a brainwashed environment, they may never have been explicitly told that this is wrong; they deserve a second chance. > message needs to be received in Beijing, not merely Indiana I agree. My vote would be for a…

There is no such social consensus. People act according to expectations. If we expect college students to act like adults then they will. I certainly didn't feel like a kid when I was in college.

It's bizarre how some societies have lowered their expectations of young people over the past couple centuries. When Horatio Nelson was that age he was captain of a warship, leading hundreds of men in combat and doing a pretty fine job of it.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by pcmoney » Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 5:09 PM UTC

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Yes, eye witness accounts. Thousands of families whose children never came home. Widely available photos online. The smoking gun that you aren’t allowed to talk about it.

Sorry, but hearsay is the opposite of a "smoking gun". Give me $1000 and I'll produce a video of an Asian-looking person saying anything you want. No one is denying that people died that week. There are pictures of it! It's the media spin that requires scrutiny.

No further engagement until you critique Xi or the CCP to prove good faith.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by catlikesshrimp » Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 5:12 PM UTC

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People of the EU might want to seriously reconsider the GDPR after seeing its affects such as this.

As an European citizen, yes I am profoundly glad these effects exist. Error 418 means, to me, that the website is disappointed it cannot exploit my personal data without my consent. Good riddance.

Honest question: How do you feel about your (i)phone being a permanent cookie? It aggregates all your information.

Is anything being prepared for that?

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by splitstud » Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 5:20 PM UTC

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There’s no assuming going on. These students explicitly threatened reporting him to the Chinese government, and did so using their registered accounts in online chat so we know exactly who it was.

That's called an allegation, an assumption. And alleging students said some dumb shit is different than proving collusion with PRC gov unless Purdue can dig up files from PRC MSS. In the meantime, the parsimonious answer is kids playing with PRC cancel culture, because to my knowledge there hasn't been a single proven allegation of PRC kids directly reporting other PRC nationals on western campus. Plenty of yellow jo…

Two giant paragraphs that are largely irrelevant as well as inaccurate. Purdue has a framework to work with to adjudicate situations regarding the student experience. We will see how it plays out. Your emotional response to some trigger doesn't have anything to do with what is being discussed.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 5:22 PM UTC

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Also, they don't have the money to comply with the EU's GDPR from a legal requirement, so this is really a result of the EU's laws.

If you don't collect data on the visitors you don't need to do anything to comply.

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Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by peatmoss » Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 5:22 PM UTC

sschueller wrote: post #248

Bayesian_bro wrote: post #215

This is just an example of the different ethics between China and America. America is very deontological in terms of FREEDOM. We love freedom above everything else. China is very consequentialist, they care about prosperity and success over everything else. I'm a pretty red blooded American (I drive a black smoke diesel truck and have enough firearms and ammo to make it pretty far in the apocalypse). I wonder what et…

I would compare Tiananmen Square with the Tulsa race massacre. How many Americans don't know about it? The time I spend in the US I had the feeling that you have more of a pseudo freedom than actual freedom. Everyone keeps saying how free they are and how great their country is yet you can't even drink an alcoholic beverage on the street without getting arrested. You go to a town festival and the people who want to d…

Not talking about the Tulsa race massacre, is an example of society at large choosing, through inattention or other social forces, to not care about something they should probably choose to care more about.

Not being allowed to talk about Tiananmen Square massacre is society being told what to find worthy of attention.

While the ends may on occasion align, I think it’s an important distinction.

But it is also worth considering “practical” freedoms.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by chroem- » Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 5:22 PM UTC

netcan wrote: post #527

yholio wrote: post #198

It's a very weak response from Purdue. Zhihao Kong was bullied and followed around on campus for commemorating the victims of the Tiananmen masacre. He was called a CIA agent by fellow Purdue students and was reported to the Chinese state, who attempted to silence him by forcefully leaning on his family in Hong Kong. The identities of the bullies is well known and the extent of abuse is borderline criminal. There sho…

I think part of the problem is that the "quarrel" is with the CCP itself. Students get into a political argument. Maybe it went over a line, into harassment. The point at which it becomes beyond the pale, as Kong himself stated" was when the pro-ccp students "weaponized" the CCP/state. IE, called chinese secret police and arranged for an intimidation visit to his parents.

China has quite a few programs in place to use their students and expats for power projection. China United Front Work Department [1] tries to place PRC citizens into foreign companies in order to gather intelligence and influence them. Confucius Institutes [2] are widespread throughout American universities and use PRC international students to promote state interests.

The reality that Americans are unwilling to accept is that PRC nationals are agents of the state by default. Even if a PRC national doesn't fall into one of the above programs, they are still incentivized by China's social credit system to act in the state's interests, even while abroad.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Front_Work_Department

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confucius_Institute

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by 99_00 » Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 5:23 PM UTC

This is not an isolated incident. There is a large pattern. Awareness of the broad trend needs to increase.

And it isn't only happening in the US. It's global.

Tibetan-Canadian student politician, Uyghur rights activists come under attack by Chinese students in Canada

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/tibetan-canadian-studen...

Just another example. I'm sure others have many more.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by stickfigure » Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 5:23 PM UTC

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200 Chinese students have no material financial impact in a body of 35,000 students. I'm inclined to take the statement at face value, and won't be surprised if more actions come as they work out the facts.

Public universities make their tuition money on the out-of-state and foreign students, so your denominator here is an order of magnitude too big. Every marginal out-of-state or foreign student lost, is one or more in-state students whose tuition cannot be subsidized.

200 out of 3500 is still not enough to care.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by BINGCHILLING » Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 5:24 PM UTC

taormina wrote: post #559

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Depending on how they handle it, they could end up blacklisted by all Chinese students - which is likely a whole lot more than 200 students. That it could also (in an extreme case) cause many employers with Chinese ties to avoid alumni with Perdue ties to avoid backlash from China is an outcome they can’t ignore either. CCP is not known for rational, reasoned responses in situations like this.

Oh no, Americans would have more spots at an America university. Or students from another nation could take the opportunity. I don't see why we have to specifically import Chinese nationals for those 200 seats when there are plenty of qualified candidates both domestically and abroad.

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