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How is not allowing any 3rd party payment processors a feature may I ask?
Safety and trust. I know in app purchases are handled through apple and if I start a subscription, I know how to easily cancel it. I don't need to worry about my payment information being stolen or held hostage behind a convoluted cancellation process.
Apple and Google must allow other in-app payment systems, Korean law declares
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You cannot develop an app for iOS without using Apple's libraries.
Of course you can, there's nothing sacred in Apple's libraries. The only sacred thing is system calls, but it's more like API rather than library.
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> Paying lower unit price for higher volume customers is literally how the entire economy works. That's not how the economy works - it's a very simplified view which IMO is incorrect in this instance. Companies in theory only offer volume discounts when it makes commercial sense to do (i.e. 'second degree price discrimination'). Price discrimination opportunities happen when you believe that you will sell more to a c…
I'm sorry to say this but your comment reads like some core concepts from Econ 101 were absorbed but the part about how economics theory is largely descriptive not prescriptive was missed. You're not far into your comment before having the "in theory" qualifier. There are lots of reasons why volume discounts exist: - To encourage more use; - It's aspirational in that users believe they can get big enough to get that…
The main thing your comments miss is how apple is going to make up for the immediate shortfall in profit from your proposed changes. Bear in mind, they need to increase revenue 5 times to make the same amount of profit.
It's fine to hand-wave about how Apple should provide volume discounts because everyone else does, but you don't really provide a reason for why they should do that from a financial perspective and how they can do it without loosing a majority of their profit (everything is a soft-benefit which doesn't account for the huge financial losses this would incur).
I don't mean a bullet point, I mean like "I think a reduction of the fees to 10% would translate to a 20% reduction in the price of apps, and that would encourage people to buy 5 times more apps".
Or that all the money these big companies make will be so inspirational that 5x new developers will enter the market and these will, on average, be just as successful as the previous developers with zero cannibalisation.
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#616I have a question about monopolies and market abuses. Apple released their phone in 2007, the App Store in 2008, and in-app payments in 2009. During that time their marketshare was fairly small, and it didn't start to really grow until they expanded availability to the Verizon network in 2011. Right at launch of the App Store, Apple announced its sales commission would be 30%. Then they extended that same fee to in-a…
You can do all sorts of "monopolistic abuse" on your platform as long as it is small and inconsequential. No one cares, even if it was illegal, though it mostly is not. But the rules and scrutiny changes once you become large enough to be "considered" a monopoly i.e. once your decisions and policies start affecting a significant portion of the market/ecosystem, then your policies are going to be subject to new regula…
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There’s an entire cottage industry of jailbroken app stores. You might argue that those using alternative stores are a minority (1-5%), but the act of jailbreaking a phone is quite challenging and we still have a lot of people doing it. If iPhones were able to run third party stores I think you’d see 30 or 40% of users opting in to that. Is it a usability nightmare? Perhaps. But device makers shouldn’t make that “cho…
It’s way less than 1% Waay less.
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#618They should unbundle. At the moment, doing business on the app stores entails so many things, but they can break them apart and allow developers to purchase them individually: 1. Put your app on the store. (but only reachable via direct link) 2. Have Gapple verify that your app does not represent any obvious security threat. (or else warn users upon install) 3. Make your app appear in search. (organically) 4. Make yo…
How about getting rid of App Stores altogether unless they follow an f-droid like model? (Selection of alternative repos, Published source, declaring potentially unwanted behavior etc.)
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How is not allowing any 3rd party payment processors a feature may I ask?
Safety and trust. I know in app purchases are handled through apple and if I start a subscription, I know how to easily cancel it. I don't need to worry about my payment information being stolen or held hostage behind a convoluted cancellation process.
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As an apple customer, what you call abuse, I call a feature in this context.
How is not allowing any 3rd party payment processors a feature may I ask?