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Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by jollybean » Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 11:46 PM UTC

VelkaMorava wrote: post #288

arodgers_la wrote: post #188

Comedian Bill Burr said it best: "I'm not gonna sit here with no medical degree, listening to you with no medical degree, with an American flag behind you smoking a cigar acting like we know what's up better than the CDC." [0] That quote is Joe Rogan's shtick in a nutshell. [0] https://youtube.com/watch?v=tSKVXl-WnrA&t=5m20s

During that episode I have came to conclusion that Bill Burr is who Joe Rogan sees as himself. Eloquent, humorous, says-he's-stupid-but-he-is-actually-smart, able to step back and look at all the stupid stuff everyone does (including himself). Except Rogan is actually this: https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/8xofvi/joe_rogan_...

This is really some sorry Rogan/envy ad hominem.

Some really petty schoolyard grimes here.

(EDIT: I mean there are link to reddit caricature / joke lists etc. since when do we do this here?)

I don't think Joe Rogan is very interesting ... but the 'haters' say more about themselves than anything, it's a bad look on them.

Rogan is what is he is. He has a variety of guests, he entertains them and let's them speak, he popularized a fairly new format where people can come on and actually make their case for as long as they like. Turns out it's very refreshing and frankly 'important' thing.

All of these podcast/celebrity etc. people take themselves probably a tad to seriously, but I don't think Rogan lacks the self awareness to not recgonise he's not an intellect, that seems apparent.

For those screaming about his subtle wavering on vaccines, first, he hasn't really, and second, our beloved Lex Friedman has gone a bit into the weeds on that one as well so you'll have to throw him into the cauldron as well.

The possibility of a 'dude bro' who's broken the mould and is more influential, and in most ways legitimately so, than many others who are supposed to be more deserving ... seems to bother a lot of people. I don't care that much one way the other about Joe, but I'm annoyed by those people.

Some of the criticisms of Rogan are legit, a lot of it seems to me like something else going on under the surface.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by AzzieElbab » Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 11:48 PM UTC

njovin wrote: post #451

dntrkv wrote: post #341

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It's only the ads that the podcasters put in themselves. They are not the Spotify ads.

It's odd, though, that Rogan's podcast only started doing mid-episode ads after the move to Spotify. Prior to the move the only ads were at the beginning of the episode.

It is really weird actually. Not every episode comes with adds. Seems like Spotify is dark launching ab testing

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by danenania » Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 11:51 PM UTC

nemothekid wrote: post #599

danenania wrote: post #584

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Um, you cherry-picked a single bullet point out of that definition, and not even the first one. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dogma 1a. something held as an established opinion, especially a definite authoritative tenet. 1b. a code of such tenets. 1c. a point of view or tenet put forth as authoritative without adequate grounds. 2. a doctrine or body of doctrines concerning faith or morals formally stated…

Even if I cherry picked the one I thought was most clearest, none of them are even imply a shared set of principles that are followed without question , nor do any of the definitions under (1) contradict what I was saying. > Also, when has Joe Rogan ever claimed, or even implied, that his beliefs are "authoritative"? If you literally watch JRE today he does with regards to keto.

He can speak with legitimate authority on diet, exercise, martial arts, and other similar topics. He knows more about those things than 99% of people. The point is he doesn't claim authority on topics related to politics and science where he's out of his depth, or at least does it a lot less often than typical partisan commentators.

You seem to be reading a different definition than I am, but ok /shrug.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by jonnyone » Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 11:51 PM UTC

suzzer99 wrote: post #219

arodgers_la wrote: post #188

Comedian Bill Burr said it best: "I'm not gonna sit here with no medical degree, listening to you with no medical degree, with an American flag behind you smoking a cigar acting like we know what's up better than the CDC." [0] That quote is Joe Rogan's shtick in a nutshell. [0] https://youtube.com/watch?v=tSKVXl-WnrA&t=5m20s

This. I just wish he'd take his enormous reach a little more seriously when he entertains quack pseudoscience as if it's an equally valid POV to real peer-reviewed science.

I haven't watched in a while, what "quack pseudoscience" has he entertained recently?

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by alex504 » Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 11:52 PM UTC

jazzyjackson wrote: post #26

jjulius wrote: post #24

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>I'm paying Spotify Premium and still have to listen ads during the show. I have Spotify and don't listen to podcasts much at all. When I have, it hasn't been on Spotify and I've always been able to skip through the recording to get past the ad (either with a "skip fwd 15 secs" button or by grabbing the slider and moving it manually). Does Spotify not offer that capability?

They’ve made it simple to skip ads because each ad pops up as a track that you can scrobble to the end of. I assume they’re satisfied with this because my dragging my finger across the name of the advertiser is probably a better signal of impression than hoping I was actually present during the ad roll. But Apple podcasts “skip 15sec” is still easier, I can do it without looking while driving.

This works about 75% of the time, about 25% of the time it restarts the podcast and I have to go through the ads again. This is on android.

There is also a bug I experience pretty regularly where the podcast will restart when I resume it so I lose my spot.

Such a buggy piece of crap app.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by dalbasal » Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 11:52 PM UTC

teawrecks wrote: post #545

dalbasal wrote: post #482

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It's all competition for monopoly. No one "owned" podcasting, like itunes own streaming music and youtube own free-to-air TV. Spotify is trying to be the one that owns it. They bought exclusivity to as many top podcasts as they could in order to start centralizing podcasting on their platform. Eventually enough momentum shifts, and all the other podcasters have to go where users go, spotify. They may or may not succe…

> No one "owned" podcasting, like itunes own streaming music...Podcasts are/were one the the free digital medias. Ironic considering the origin of the term "podcast".

Ironic-not-ironic maybe. Back then, Apple wanted content to exist. Podcasts were content.

Also, 15 20 years ago, smart people (me being the smartest of all) genuinely believed that "information wanted to be free." The explosive success of WWW demonstrated that open platforms and protocols are far more powerful than companies. Trying to control a medium was a recipe for failure.

That was before reality cracked her whip, and the borders separating one media from another became defined by the monopoly owning it.

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Post by didibus » Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 11:52 PM UTC

Alupis wrote: post #249

tych0 wrote: post #236

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Seems like GP might be talking about Joe Rogan.

Joe Rogan is a professional comedian, among other side gigs like his podcast and commentating UFC fights.

I don't believe he does comedy anymore. He's pretty much a full-on podcast host now.

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Post by sampo » Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 11:53 PM UTC

mynameisash wrote: post #521

tomp wrote: post #494

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So basically you're saying "they lied but it's OK because it was a well-intentioned lie". That's what's making people lose trust in institutions.

> So basically you're saying "they lied but it's OK because it was a well-intentioned lie". That's not at all what GP said. Try re-reading it: >> health authorities told people not to use masks at first because ... Hospitals were in danger of running out of protective equipment. That is in no way lying.

> That is in no way lying.

This opinion piece in New York Times says there was lying going on.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/opinion/coronavirus-face-...

https://archive.is/XrRBQ

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by jollybean » Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 11:54 PM UTC

dntrkv wrote: post #413

nradov wrote: post #232

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You're asking a professional comedian to be more serious? Are you actually serious or is that a joke?

Yeah that's Joe's classic defense. He's part of the "Intellectual Dark Web" (lol...) and he tries to have serious discussions and opinions on important matters. But as soon as someone points out how stupid and misleading some of his takes are, he falls back on the "I'm just a comedian" excuse. Like someone else pointed out, Bill Burr is exactly what you describe. He's a comedian that discusses these topics but never…

It's fair that the 'just a comedian' excuse should not work - but - it's fair to say 'he's just an podcaster with discussions of varying seriousness mostly for the purposes of entertainment'.

The overwhelming majority of his content is along those lines, to the point wherein you really have to scrape to find scare quotes. I mean, it's easy to Google because of supposed controversy, but really disagreeable stuff would be hard to find lest you to have to actually sit down and listen to him.

I wish he took a slightly different tact on vaccines (i.e, at the end of every show say 'Folks, it's 100% choice, but vaccines are safe, I've taken, everyone I know has, make the choice for you, your family and community, that's all, goodnight' kind of sign-off), but I don't think he's in condemnation territory either.

All of this said, I'm not sure how he is received in different cultures around the world where he might have influence we're not aware of.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by trompetenaccoun » Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 11:54 PM UTC

arodgers_la wrote: post #188

Comedian Bill Burr said it best: "I'm not gonna sit here with no medical degree, listening to you with no medical degree, with an American flag behind you smoking a cigar acting like we know what's up better than the CDC." [0] That quote is Joe Rogan's shtick in a nutshell. [0] https://youtube.com/watch?v=tSKVXl-WnrA&t=5m20s

I don't care about Rogan but that's an argument from authority and he avoids answering what he knows/thinks. Using his same logic, you would have to immediately dismiss anything he says regarding this because he's a comedian, not an expert in epistemology and natural science. It's a self-refuting idea, one would have to be a religious believer in the CDC to fall for that.