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How to Work Hard

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Re: How to Work Hard

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"I never took a day off in my twenties" (Bill Gates) quote is a misnomer because what Bill Gates considers a day-off is something where you are just lying around doing nothing, such as lying on the beach. A two week sojourn into a set of books that interested him were not considered "days off". He did such activities yearly. Bill Gates wasn't in the office working a 7 day schedule for his entire 20s. So that is not t…

AMAF, this is wildly a stupid idea. Tired devs write tired codes

Except that Bill Gates and people of that type don't get tired from it. They get energized.

Re: How to Work Hard

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What I'd like to see first is: "Why work hard" To me, it seems that if we've put ourselves in a society that requires hard work, we've failed somewhere along the way, when do you run a business and value making things harder for customers? So if we've made societal success hard, we've kind of failed as a society in my opinion.

“Societal success” in this sense is relative to others’ performance, and as such will always be “hard”, because the person aiming for this success is by definition aiming to be a statistical outlier.

> “Societal success” in this sense is relative to others’ performance

That's only true because we failed to offer something better. Societal success should mean: "economic security and independence, and the pursuit of happiness", where happiness is defined as one's wellbeing. And that shouldn't require hard work.

If it was the case, than people could choose to work as hard or as easy as they want to achieve anything grandiose and ambitious, but they wouldn't have too, they'd be free to choose too or not.

At least it is my opinion that a society should try to eliminate the need for physical and mental exertion from its citizens, while providing them with their needs met, and thus setting them free to do as they please. What they please to do could be to work on extra hard problems, or to put hard work 24/7 on some goal, even if it's a stupid one, like a world record at cherry pit spitting.

The way it is now, "societal success" comes from being an outlier in being able to have this freedom to choose to continue to work hard or not. People basically aspire to achieve societal success by performing better then others financially and getting themselves into a position of inequality where they hold the big end of the stick. And the messaging is that to achieve this privileged position, you need to put in "hard work". And I feel this is the wrong outcome of society.

Re: How to Work Hard

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Going on vacation doesn't mean doing nothing. Like you I don't understand how/why people do this. I think it's about doing something different. Travel, visit, explore, camp, hike, do sport, meet new people, share that with family/friends or not.

> Like you I don't understand how/why people do this. I think it's about doing something different. You raised the question and answered it in two sentences. This is exactly why some people are able to take a complete break and "do nothing" - their daily life is already filled to the brim with work, family, kids, etc, that when they get on vacation, what actually feels different is doing "nothing".

Fair point. I believe I manage to save enough time of "doing nothing" in my daily life (although it might feel uncomfortable sometimes as others pointed out in the thread) that I don't need that during vacation. I see it as an opportunity to do things I don't have time/energy to do otherwise.

Re: How to Work Hard

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> I do a lot of sitting quietly, with my mind almost empty of thought. This is a totally natural state. There's nothing wrong with it and if you want a change of mind then I suggest you let it happen. And probably get off social media too.

It's not. It's anhedonia. It feeds on itself. It makes things worse over time. Mindfulness is overprescribed. Having practiced meditation for quite a few years in the past, I'm convinced that it's not good for people that are prone to anhedonic depression.

I highly recommend some low cost of living place like thailand to help heal your scars- thai massage is very therapeutic.

wish you strength and recovery.

Re: How to Work Hard

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Why sitting through a movie is a bad thing? Have you tried watching some “harder” movies? Maybe you’re just bored with the specific movies you are watching. I for example know that I have a very specific love for sci-fi genre; but unfortunately a lot of sci-fi is basically trash with good CGI and I can’t help myself but think that I am wasting my time when I watch stuff in that comfort zone. However there’s a lot to…

It's a moving target. At first I wouldn't sit through genuinely asinine popular media, like 'Friends'. This is not unhealthy: most of it is shit. But over time, I've found that I can't sit through anything that isn't utterly engaging. My SO used to joke that I 'hated everything' until that started to make me feel bad. Paying attention to anything that isn't doesn't at least appear to be addressing existential dread h…

if you've already exhausted traditional routes, perhaps give psychedelics a chance.

Re: How to Work Hard

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AMAF, this is wildly a stupid idea. Tired devs write tired codes

Except that Bill Gates and people of that type don't get tired from it. They get energized.

They aren't super heroes - they need rest as well.

Reading some books you're interested may count as not taking a day off, but it's still restful compared to office work.

Re: How to Work Hard

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This is me. Though I didn't just learn this in my upbringing - I feel like my entire working life has been one of false promises and dehumanization, that has left me unable to enjoy anything. I'm 47 now, have worked at 6 failed startups in a row, and can't face work, or looking for a job. I used to blame social media and hacker news, but I now recognize that too much delayed gratification and overwork have had a much…

You're just burned out. I hope you have some financial cushion and can take some time to just do nothing. Or try gardening, or woodworking, or something really different that can be personally rewarding with no pressure to meet anyone else's expectations. With time you should heal.

Unfortunately, I've been burnt out too many times now, for too long. Every job now ends in burn out and takes 6+ months to recover from before I can start looking for another job. This time, however, feels different - it never felt insurmountable like this before. I can't work on my own stuff, can't level up my skills, not sure how to get back to that.

I suspect that my situation is likely common among aging coders and might contribute to a lot of what is otherwise attributed to ageism. I can no longer pretend that the kind of work open to me is going lead to anything but more suffering, and I feel like this results in increasing interview anxiety.

Re: How to Work Hard

#618

When I was an undergrad at CMU, I learned how to work hard. Really hard. After having coasted through too-easy high school, I spent all day every day at CMU either programming, doing mathematics, or thinking about one of those things (to great effect: often the trick to prove a theorem would pop into my head while showering or while taking a walk). I would fall asleep while programming in the middle of the night, dre…

As someone who also did their undergrad at CMU, I can confirm that it was the hardest I've ever worked (even considering my 10+ years of professional experience). It was burnout level with how many units you had to carry and how difficult some of the advanced math and CS classes became.

We used to sit in the Tepper Faculty Lounge (always unlocked = free coffee) many nights from 10 PM - 4 AM to merely crank out a 6-question problem set...as a group.

I find that I can still get into the mode of "hard work" that CMU instilled but I also find myself generally disinterested in getting into a world where that becomes my life again...it was fun, but tiring, and I don't need to be tired/worn out to have fun anymore!

Re: How to Work Hard

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Maybe I’m jumping to conclusions here but there seems to be something obvious that you and others in this thread are overlooking: not all leisure activities are created equal. Some nourish the soul or the body, some are spiritual deserts. Video games are in the latter category. Of course you’re going to feel bad about spending your time on them. But you could instead read a classic novel, play a sport, play some musi…

This is an outdated view, computer games are a cultural vehicle like others. They can even connect you with a rich tapestry of human life.

If anything, old video games were more innocuous, as they didn’t try to be anything other than simple distractions that you would naturally tire of before long. Today’s games are precision engineered to be dopamine treadmills in the guise of immersive cinematic experiences, yet due to the primacy of gameplay mechanics, remain hobbled as works of art or storytelling.

Re: How to Work Hard

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> There are three ingredients in great work: natural ability, practice, and effort. There is one essential factor that if someone does not have, everything else mentioned here does not matter: luck or provision (scientifically speaking, luck does not exist). Every entrepreneur knows that no matter how hard they work, at the end of the day if they are not in the right place, at the right time, with the right people, s…

Would it have soothed you if he began the article with: “Though the advice in this article is necessary, it alone is not sufficient to achieve success. Luck also plays a large factor. You need both. You will also need to obtain financial leverage. Hard work at McDonald’s is not the type that this article addresses.”? It seems unnecessary to me, particularly because he’s already written articles on these subjects. [1]…

Context - PG on luck: https://www.reddit.com/r/Entrepreneur/comments/1tbxab/paul_g...
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