What it's like to be cancelled • Hacker News Board

Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by eurasiantiger » Tue, Jun 29, 2021, 6:46 AM UTC

qbasic_forever wrote: post #49

eurasiantiger wrote: post #27

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Originally, the Internet (including, but not limited to, the World Wide Web) was a place where nobody was interested in who you were as a person. It was and is geared towards structuring and disseminating knowledge. In that sense, the entire somesphere is a tumor to the Internet.

That's a very tunnel vision view of the early web. You're ignoring BBS's, AOL, usenet, IRC, etc. which were all created with the explicit purpose of people connecting and talking to other people. You can go even further back to things like Community Memory and the Homebrew Computer Club--computing has firmly been embracing people connecting to other people since the early days.

Sure you could connect with people, but you wouldn’t connect with Firstname Lastname, you would connect with some nickname that you were associating with some cool stuff they had written about.

It was not inherently about people, it was about what those people managed to bring into virtual existence that was interesting, and it was that you wanted to connect with.

Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by SassyGrapefruit » Tue, Jun 29, 2021, 2:31 PM UTC

overgard wrote: post #572

SassyGrapefruit wrote: post #564

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Whether or not the author is "redeemable" is irrelevant. At its core sexual misconduct is prioritizing one's own needs/desires and using someone else as an object to achieve them. It's one of the highest acts of self centeredness and it happens at someone else's expense. I don't see how writing an article about how the author's sexual misconduct has impacted him isn't a continuation of the same problem mentality. It…

I didn't see this as asking for anything. The blog post is both instructional, ie here's what happens, and an explanation. I just don't see how this notion that a person should be punished forever is helpful to anyone. He's paid a hefty price why continue to pile on? Also just because he created victims doesn't mean he himself isn't also a victim. Do you really think he deserved death threats? Do you think it was ok…

In the end it's about fairness. I think we all agree that the perpetrator shouldn't find respite before the victims. Unfortunately for the victims and the perpetrator that respite doesn't exist.

He may regret what he did and he certainly deserves forgiveness, but forgiveness and consequences are two different things. He has my forgiveness and I hope the victims choose to forgive him as well. The consequences are likely a permanent feature of his life.

Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by njharman » Mon, Jul 05, 2021, 8:43 AM UTC

clucas wrote: post #369

njharman wrote: post #186

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This is exactly why cancel culture is so toxic (and to lessor extent all "political correctness"). It is oppression, repression and censorship. It is mob rule, happy only when they get a lynching, no matter the guilt or innocence.

Do you think Harvey Weinstein, Matt Lauer, or Kevin Spacey should have been cancelled? I agree that it's overboard on a lot of things, especially in the past couple years, but I think it's important to remember the "cancel culture" started as a way to hold certain people to account who were exhibiting socially unacceptable behavior, but were not being socially punished. All societies have social norms, and all societ…

> but were not being socially punished.

That you think social punishment is a thing that should happen, means you and I have irreconcilable world views / moral values.