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Re: Fastly Outage

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Post by southerntofu »

austinjp wrote: post #166

Yeah so it's been mentioned in the comments already, but to everyone in Fastly right now: I feel for you. Something like this must be insanely stressful, and not just during the outage. There will be (should be) a massive post-mortem. People will be losing sleep over this for days, weeks, months. :( Edit: There seems to be a major empathy outage in this thread. Disgusted but not surprised, unfortunately.

I feel for the Fastly workers, who managers are probably currently harassing to get things back online. I certainly don't feel any sympathy for Fastly administrators/managers who make business out of exploiting other people.

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Post by macintux »

colesantiago wrote: post #603
austinjp wrote: post #166

Yeah so it's been mentioned in the comments already, but to everyone in Fastly right now: I feel for you. Something like this must be insanely stressful, and not just during the outage. There will be (should be) a massive post-mortem. People will be losing sleep over this for days, weeks, months. :( Edit: There seems to be a major empathy outage in this thread. Disgusted but not surprised, unfortunately.

Not my problem. Fastly should work as intended. The fault is theirs and they have said that they have failover, this worldwide outage caused by them just goes to show you that Fastly does not actually have a failover system in place. > "Fastly’s network has built-in redundancies and automatic failover routing to ensure optimal performance and uptime." - status.fastly.com Even their status page was down. Very embarras…

> this worldwide outage caused by them just goes to show you that Fastly does not actually have a failover system in place.

I don’t know Fastly at all, but in my experience there’s no such thing as a foolproof failover system that covers all possible scenarios.

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Post by oefrha »

comboy wrote: post #610
oefrha wrote: post #564

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Well, with SO, at least you can search on Google and view the version cached by Google just fine. With Reddit however, these days almost all comments are locked behind “view entire discussion” or “continue this thread”. In fact, just now I searched for something for which the most relevant discussion was on Reddit; Reddit was down so I opened the cached version, and was literally greeted by five “continue this thread…

I wanted to suggest site:old.reddit.com since I use that version with automatic redirect, but this: https://old.reddit.com/robots.txt is very different from this: https://reddit.com/robots.txt I guess there is a market for search engine (maybe accessed through tor) which does not care about robots.txt, DMCAs, right to be forgotten etc. Bootstrapping it should not be that hard since it can also provide better results…

> I guess there is a market for search engine (maybe accessed through tor) which does not care about robots.txt, DMCAs, right to be forgotten etc. Bootstrapping it should not be that hard since it can also provide better results for some queries since nobody is fighting about the position until it's widely known.

That’s not going to happen before Cloudflare is dethroned. See this recent thread for some perspective: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27153603

And even if there’s no Cloudflare, large sites that people want to search will always find ways to block bad bots.

The only thing I can think of that might work is using crowd-sourced data, with all the problems that come with crowdsourcing.

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Post by bdsa »

patentatt wrote: post #517
bdsa wrote: post #374

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I think this may be because we've had much higher uptake as far as I know, so getting down the age ranges has been slower (by which I mean, yes, maybe the US has made it available to all adults, but how many (as a proportion) have taken it up)

This is awesome. And also exposes how broken the US is with its anti-vaccination trend

I have seen the argument made that one of the reasons for high vaccine confidence in the UK is as a result of Andrew Wakefield's MMR fraud, which was perhaps debunked more effectively in the UK than the US.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BIcAZxFfrc

Re: Fastly Outage

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Post by jzer0cool »

lpmitchell wrote: post #9

This seems to be impacting a number of huge sites, including the UK government website[0]. [0] https://www.gov.uk/ https://m.media-amazon.com/ https://pages.github.com/ https://www.paypal.com/ https://stackoverflow.com/ https://nytimes.com/ Edit: Fastly's incident report status page: https://status.fastly.com/incidents/vpk0ssybt3bj

I could not tell from the fastly status page. What caused the fault? Could anyone point to any past stories which may be of similar nature other than DDos?

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Post by pixl97 »

southerntofu wrote: post #605
black_puppydog wrote: post #31

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All of these work from here in Grenoble, France...

That's the problem with these black-box cloud offerings, that you can never know what will work (or not) and from where. You get semi-random, pseudo-localized outages that are not accounted for in all the 9's of availability. With a standard TCP/UDP session, it mostly just works or doesn't and you can get a proper traceroute to know what's up. With these fancy CDNs, there's a whole new can of worms to deal with and f…

"Gets blasted by a DDOS and is no longer on the internet"

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Post by bartimus »

jzer0cool wrote: post #615
lpmitchell wrote: post #9

This seems to be impacting a number of huge sites, including the UK government website[0]. [0] https://www.gov.uk/ https://m.media-amazon.com/ https://pages.github.com/ https://www.paypal.com/ https://stackoverflow.com/ https://nytimes.com/ Edit: Fastly's incident report status page: https://status.fastly.com/incidents/vpk0ssybt3bj

I could not tell from the fastly status page. What caused the fault? Could anyone point to any past stories which may be of similar nature other than DDos?

Still a bit vague: https://twitter.com/fastly/status/1402221348659814411

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Post by macintux »

richardwhiuk wrote: post #363
jfny wrote: post #307

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They will use S3, but they need a CDN in front. Surprised they don't use CloudFront - maybe that's what they've failed over to.

Apparently they switched from CloudFront after determining Fastly was faster for this use case. CloudFront is focused on large streaming services, not small HTTP resources.

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Post by peq »

gpm wrote: post #592
southerntofu wrote: post #585

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Yeah it's crazy how bad user-hostile reddit.com has become. Fortunately old.reddit.com is still available, but for how long? If only Javascript did not exist, it would be impossible for UX people to come up with something that bad.

> only Javascript did not exist, it would be impossible for UX people to come up with something that bad. Arrange the html so that the list of comments is at the end (via css). Keep the http connection open, have the show more button send some of request, and when you receive that request send the rest of the page over the original http connection. As usual, solve people problems via people, not tech.

How would you make the button send a request without js and without navigating to another page?

Maybe css to load an image on :active or is there some better way?

Re: Fastly Outage

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Post by unityByFreedom »

southerntofu wrote: post #596
unityByFreedom wrote: post #473

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Is this a call for competition? I regard Cloudflare as state-of-the-art in terms of security and ease-of-use. I certainly hope their knowledge replicates across other organizations. As of now they're still building highly impactful tools that are easy to use and that noone else quite provides. I don't really expect another organization to match them given the strength of their current leadership. I think they've buil…

> Cloudflare as state-of-the-art in terms of security and ease-of-use Depends whose security. I value my security dearly and that's why i use the Tor Browser. Cloudflare has decided i cannot browse any of their websites if i care about my security (they filter out tor users and archiving bots agressively) so i'm not using any cloudflare-powered website. Is it good for security that we prevent people from using securi…

Speaking for myself here, I don't see how people can use the web without javascript. As for Tor, you're routing other people's traffic while they route yours, so I can understand how such connections would be blocked given that blocking IPs is still a method for mitigating security issues, and you can't determine the IP of a Tor browser.
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