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Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by travisr »

chrisBob wrote: post #510
jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

As far as the trim is concerned: I also wonder what the cost for the 4-door model will be. All of the marketing photos are 4-door "Super-Crew" models. Currently a Super Crew truck with the base trim and 4x4 starts at $42k. The electric version sound like a bargain if they are actually talking about that version of the truck.

The F-150 Lightning only comes in Super Crew (4-door).

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Post by leesec »

rootusrootus wrote: post #271
leesec wrote: post #230

I'm really happy Ford and others are starting to actually deliver on EV's. I do however think there will be a long list of issues as they scale the roll out, given the newness and complexity of this product. Here are some concerns I think people should be aware of: 1. No comprehensive supercharger network. This is a real big deal still. Using existing non-supercharging networks is not feasible for any long distance.…

> No comprehensive supercharger network. This is a real big deal still. I agree that this is important, but it is 99% psychological. In the entire time I owned my Tesla, I used the supercharger a half dozen times. Most people with an EV that has 200+ miles of range will rarely use DC fast chargers.

Whether you ever take a roadtrip is not 99% psychological. Sure you more commonly stay within range but for instance I drive several hours to see my family regularly. No supercharging stations would prohibit that or 2-3x the time taken.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by Dig1t »

jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

Honestly do not understand it either. It’s nice to have a giant bucket attached to your car! It lets you do all kinds of useful things plus you can still get to all the places that smaller cars can.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by leesec »

thomascgalvin wrote: post #342
rootusrootus wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No comprehensive supercharger network. This is a real big deal still. I agree that this is important, but it is 99% psychological. In the entire time I owned my Tesla, I used the supercharger a half dozen times. Most people with an EV that has 200+ miles of range will rarely use DC fast chargers.

I very, very rarely drive my car further than a hundred miles in a day; for my day-to-day work, a 200 mile range would be more than comfortable, and I'd be able to recharge to full overnight. But every once in a while we drive about 200 miles to visit the in-laws, and I would be super nervous about attempting that in an EV. At best we'd be close to empty by the time we arrived, I don't know the state of the charger s…

Tesla's handle this pretty well, it auto routes you to supercharges and tells you how long to charge, etc.

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Post by julianlam »

ortusdux wrote: post #287

Tesla's checkout process has spoiled me. It's landing page -> select a model -> select options and appearance -> enter payment info for a 100$ deposit. No signups, no friction, just car creation and transparent info and pricing. Step one on Ford's site is to select a dealer. Already I'm thinking about how much I hate my local dealer and the whole dealership system in general. Step two is a login screen with create an…

> ... how much I hate my local dealer and the whole dealership system in general

I can't recommend enough just how refreshing it is to go to a no-haggle dealership after having experienced a regular dealership.

The wife and I walked into the dealership, test drove a vehicle, and walked out with the signed proof-of-sale in just over an hour.

Obviously, you're not getting THE BEST price, but the no-haggles in our area handily beat the prices of every single neighbouring dealership by a heck of a lot more than I think I'd be able to beat them down to.

Last time I bought a car it took probably close to 6-8 hours of back-and-forth, telephone game with the manager, and I still felt like I got ripped off. Never again.

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Post by leesec »

Rebelgecko wrote: post #545
leesec wrote: post #230

I'm really happy Ford and others are starting to actually deliver on EV's. I do however think there will be a long list of issues as they scale the roll out, given the newness and complexity of this product. Here are some concerns I think people should be aware of: 1. No comprehensive supercharger network. This is a real big deal still. Using existing non-supercharging networks is not feasible for any long distance.…

At least for my use cases, I think Ford actually has an edge over Autopilot. Any car with adaptive cruise control and autosteering is gonna behave identically to a Tesla with autopilot for 99% of the time behind the wheel. Ford doesn't do lane changes or summoning, but from what I've seen both of those features have some jank with Tesla and I wouldn't use them. The big pro of Ford's system is that on some highways/fr…

"Any car with adaptive cruise control and autosteering is gonna behave identically to a Tesla with autopilot for 99% of the time behind the wheel."

This isn't even close to true. Most LKAS and ADAS systems will only last a few seconds before they require human intervention. It is not at all the same experience.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by giarc »

christophilus wrote: post #528
ortusdux wrote: post #287

Tesla's checkout process has spoiled me. It's landing page -> select a model -> select options and appearance -> enter payment info for a 100$ deposit. No signups, no friction, just car creation and transparent info and pricing. Step one on Ford's site is to select a dealer. Already I'm thinking about how much I hate my local dealer and the whole dealership system in general. Step two is a login screen with create an…

I’m glad I have a local Honda dealer. It’s the cheapest oil change in the area. They have a full service kitchen that makes killer breakfasts while you wait. Their sales team is no pressure. I’m extremely happy with them. I guess my point is that one size doesn’t fit all. That said, I do hate going to the typical car dealer.

You are right, dealerships aren't by definition terrible places. It all comes down to how they are run. If they are run by people just looking to make the fastest dollar, then yes you are going to have a bad time. But some are run by people that know a repeat customer is a good customer and therefore go out of their way to make you happy.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by aaronbeekay »

aynyc wrote: post #518

This is a contractor's dream truck. * Power supply. This thing supports ton of recharging of power tools. Lawn cares services will love this as more and more communities are banning gas-powdered tools. * Range. 300 is well within most contractors' home to work site. * Frunk. Lock away their valuable tools without unloading the toolbox. * Look. It's what they know and trust. It's something new yet familiar. Next step…

Ford released the e-Transit before the Lightning!

https://www.ford.com/commercial-trucks/e-transit/2022/

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by pa7ch »

ffggvv wrote: post #185
tibiahurried wrote: post #63

Who wants a Cybertruck anyway :) I am all for F-150

i think they are different markets. cyber truck is for affluent city people who probably never had or wanted a truck before but like the design. f150 is more for normal people who actually just want a normal truck that’s electric

People are overlooking the CT saying its a lifestyle vehicle. Its gonna be lighter (unibody, structural pack, megacastings), more efficient (triangle for aero), and have better range per cost of vehicle. That has to mean something for fleet managers looking at cost.

The design looks avante-guard from a consumer perspective, but its a result of making it more functional and easier to manufacture which is hard to argue with when your using for business even if you think its hideous. I think the f150 will compete for sure but its traditional branding and smaller bed will probably attract more consumer oriented existing pick-up owners. City people will continue to buy model Y because they have to run errands in tight spaces.

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Post by giarc »

JeremyNT wrote: post #550
gilbetron wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's what I was most excited about, and agree it is a game changer. Hopefully we can get small e-pickups at some point - I have a 2004 Toyota Tacoma that I love, and it would be amazing with a frunk, but you can't really get small pickups that size anymore.

> I have a 2004 Toyota Tacoma that I love, and it would be amazing with a frunk, but you can't really get small pickups that size anymore You're not kidding! I was in the market for a small pickup and checked out the Tacoma and Frontier, which I previously understood to be "small" trucks. They're massive these days, just like the F-150! I guess it's perceived that there's no market for that size any more. A small ele…

The new Ford Ranger is a smaller size, but it's perhaps the worst looking truck available. I'm not sure what Ford was thinking there.
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