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GameStop Is Rage Against the Financial Machine

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Re: GameStop Is Rage Against the Financial Machine

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So, do people still think Efficient Market Hypothesis is a thing? If this doesn't prove that the stock market is just a video game, which decoupled from economic reality a long time ago... We've now entered the age of the meme stock market.

I wondered for a while "why real stock is not as "easy to get into" as market places in games?"

I guess in last years it became as easy to get into as it's in games :P

Re: GameStop Is Rage Against the Financial Machine

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I think if you really want to understand what is going on you actually have to read the DD "due diligence" and not just look at the funny memes. I found [1] might be a good starting point. I'm not that into finance stuff, but the idea of a short squeeze still happening at the end of this week definetly seems interesting. It could be triggered by all the call options expiring on Friday, which will have to be covered b…

The way I understood it, is that its a combination of a short squeeze and gamma squeeze that could potentially bring it way up and then have it plummet down. This only works is if the hedge funds have!’t already liquidated their short positions (as the media says they have) and it’s a bluff. Seeing as its down aftermarket, it may have happened already but no one really knows. Seeing as WSB is down, found this[1] to be a pretty informative breakdown into all this.

[1] https://youtu.be/J-CHwy1BdZg

Re: GameStop Is Rage Against the Financial Machine

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You can expect whatever you want. What actually happens is something else. On any given trade you can end up with something worth more or less than what you started with. Even if you sell and cash out, you may end up "losing" because things went on to perform better than you expected and the person/entity on the other end of the trade knew something you didn't. The market owes you nothing.

You're loudly and carefully missing the point. The expectation is that investment is done to derive ownership of something with actual value. This is a public pump and dump scheme masquerading as a righteous uprising. Nobody said the market owed anyone anything. Save the sophism. Idiots are getting bilked, those are the answer to your question, and they still exist even if you want to re-define around them. This is i…

IMHO nothing you said contradicts with anything I said.

People are free to buy or not-buy any stock, and to sell or not-sell any stock that they already hold. Everyone trading is an adult and is free to do it (notwithstanding things like insider trading, etc).

There is nothing illegal in the activities that I've seen: just people/institutions trading and holding stocks in an open market.

Some of those people are/will be making money through these actions and some are/will be losing money. As Nick Maggiulli recently posted (on a somewhat unrelated topic):

> If it wasn’t obvious before, it bears repeating now—some people are going to beat you at investing. Some of them will be dumber than you. Some will be less knowledgable. Some will even be completely wrong about the future. But they will beat you just the same. There is no great arbiter of justice in the investment world. There is no cosmic force that ensures that only the knowledgable make money. If there were, then I would be a far richer man today.

* https://ofdollarsanddata.com/let-them-vote/

As someone who rides a motorcycle, I think it's stupid not to wear helmet, gloves, etc., and yet in Michigan it's legal to ride without a helmet. IMHO it's dumb, but many people do it and ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Currently some people think GME is worth US$347.51 per share and are willing to pay for it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It's their money and they can do whatever they want with it. I invest in index and bond funds (80/20), but if someone wants to YOLO on this: not my circus, not my monkeys.

Re: GameStop Is Rage Against the Financial Machine

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The second that the shorts have covered the price isn't going to drop to $90, it's going to drop back to $20 and most of the WSBers who were holding out for $2000 will lose their shirts. The shorts are going to lose, no doubt. But once they've lost, the stock price is probably $20. A lot of WSBers are going to be holding stock at that point, and possibly on margin. And that stock is going to be a crappy retail stock.…

I dont feel bad for the guy who loses two grand at the casino, why should I feel bad for them?

You should feel bad for the human being who loses two grand at the casino!

Re: GameStop Is Rage Against the Financial Machine

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> At some point somebody will be left holding the bag, odds are it will be a bunch of people from wallstreetbets and other retail investors that are late to the party. So basically like almost every other trade? Every buyer needs a seller and vice versa. If you're active in the market, why do you think you're right on any particular trade and the person on the other end is wrong?† * If you're buying, why is the other…

> So basically like almost every other trade? No; most trades are traded because you expect when you're "left holding the bag" that bag will have money in it.

How do you know they don’t think that the GameStop bag will have money in it?

Re: GameStop Is Rage Against the Financial Machine

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What is there to disclose when the group is entirely open for anybody to see?

/r/wallstreetbets is private now.

I wonder if that was an administrative decision. Browsing to it directly constantly errors out and when browsing /r/all it doesn’t show up. They complained to the mods about limiting comment threads. I wonder just how taxing this activity is on their servers.

Re: GameStop Is Rage Against the Financial Machine

#617

> These points doubtless make me appear to be a complacent shill for the financial industry, talking down to the rubes. For the record, I’m still angry about the way workers were ripped off in Britain more than three decades ago, and about the way the little guy ended up bearing the brunt for the financial implosions of 2000 and 2008. But it looks horribly to me as though the same thing is going to happen again — and…

> The "little guy" refers to the Reddit traders that are making a killing right now, with the expectation that eventually the stock price will crash again. The reddit traders are only making a killing if they're selling these inflated positions. At some point somebody will be left holding the bag, odds are it will be a bunch of people from wallstreetbets and other retail investors that are late to the party. There's…

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Re: GameStop Is Rage Against the Financial Machine

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nah you’re underestimating their power to move names in small cap stocks with high short interest.

That's absurd. People in WSB probably bought low and haven't sold at all or sold on the way up. Look at the volume. Who is shorting at these prices with this kind of activity? Who has the money to keep buying at $350 to propel the stock to $400? Definitely not WSB. I know plenty of people dipping their toes in and buying 10 or 20 shares for fun right now. But there's 55M shares trading at all time highs. That's not r…

The total market cap of GME is about $25bn at today's prices. That doesn't seem beyond the ability of retail. There's a lot of people with $10-100K to play with: rich but not mega rich.

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post #92

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r/wallstreetbets has an official Discord, I think that's probably what parent is referencing. It's linked in their sidebar with a giant Discord logo, not hard to find

had a discord https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25935511

Decentralization now

Re: GameStop Is Rage Against the Financial Machine

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You can expect whatever you want. What actually happens is something else. On any given trade you can end up with something worth more or less than what you started with. Even if you sell and cash out, you may end up "losing" because things went on to perform better than you expected and the person/entity on the other end of the trade knew something you didn't. The market owes you nothing.

You're loudly and carefully missing the point. The expectation is that investment is done to derive ownership of something with actual value. This is a public pump and dump scheme masquerading as a righteous uprising. Nobody said the market owed anyone anything. Save the sophism. Idiots are getting bilked, those are the answer to your question, and they still exist even if you want to re-define around them. This is i…

>The expectation is that investment is done to derive ownership of something with actual value.

Since this started with a hedge fund shorting 140% of a company, I tend to disagree.

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