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Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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“Not being taken seriously”? They are all being tracked down and arrested. Put on no fly lists. New legislation is being drafted to address domestic terrorism. All of their social media platforms are being shut down. What does this author mean by “not being taken seriously”?

“Enjoyed”, past tense, while they were openly plotting terrorism and insurgency. Once they executed it, that stopped (mostly, though people—including here on HN—are still arguing that they shouldn't be taken seriously.) But, had they been taken seriously when plotting murder and Insurrection in the open, it could have been disrupted before they swarmed the Capitol, or even showed up in D.C.

I’m reading the FBI warned the Capitol police about it ahead of the rally. So again, I don’t see them “not being taken seriously”.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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First they banned those they deemed to have wrong think from Social Media, crying Build your own Social media, it is a private company... So they did, but the totalitarians were not satisfied, so then they banned them from app stores users used to connect and find the new service... crying Build your own service it is a private company So they did, but the totalitarian were not satisfied so they banned them from the…

Exercise of free market principles by platforms booting people/entities that violate their ToS isn't totalitarian.

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Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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> Convincing people who don't understand very well their rights, democracy, civics, and etc that their RIGHTS were being infringed; by others exercising their rights. I dont think we need to infantilize Trump supporters. They are capable of evaluating claims made by the GOP.

We've seen poll after poll for a couple decades showing that Fox News viewers have a weaker grip on the facts than other news consumers. And we've seen that the conservative movement in the US will cling to ideas that aren't embraced by any other major parties in the Western world. And that most Republicans will accept a lie like "the steal" with no evidence, and even despite ample evidence to the contrary. I don't w…

> We've seen poll after poll for a couple decades showing that Fox News viewers have a weaker grip on the facts than other news consumers

It's even worse than that: At least one analysis has shown that Fox News viewers were worse informed than people who don't consume any news at all.

IOW, Fox (and to a lesser extent, MSNBC) has negative information value.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Unfortunately I don't think it's a stretch to suggest that a large percentage of people across the political spectrum lack basic civics knowledge.

We make people take a test to drive. People should have to take a Civics based test to vote. If someone wants to vote but fails the civics test, they should then immediately qualify for a minimum living wage job to go back to public education and get paid for getting at least an 80% grade at whatever grade level they're working at (obviously with either enrollment at lower grade levels, classification as disability i…

Here's an example of a question on a real poll test:

Spell backwards, forwards.

The answer is "backwards"... except I told you to spell it "forwards". You fail. You can't vote.

Oh, and, yes: One wrong answer means you can't vote.

I got a whole test worth right here:

https://allthatsinteresting.com/voting-literacy-test

One more question:

Draw five circles that one common inter-locking part.

No matter how you interpret that, it's wrong, and you can't say otherwise without being lynched.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Maybe I'm being naive but it seems like a larger problem is being ignored here that I feel I should call attention to. This is going to piss people off and some of those people are going to be real, nothing-to-lose extremists. Actions like these though seemingly harmless in the short-term are going to radicalize the exact person/type of people that you do not want to radicalize. Because a lot of high-ranking SV folks…

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Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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I was on the fence about this, but reading the comments convinced me it was the absolute right decision. The fact that all these institutions just allowed this horrible hateful speech for four years, in the name of free speech etc, despite all the harassment, harm (mental and otherwise) it caused to so many people in America actually emboldened so many to the extent that now that they crossed this invisible line, the…

A few issues: 1) The most radicalized are by Q. Which itself is a disinformation campaign, contributed to by government entities. 2) Bernie sanders brags about occupying government buildings. Would he be held to the same standard? OAC praised BLM protesters marching on the White House a few months ago, with Antifa trying to breach police lines and storm the White House. Should we throw her in jail for sedition. How a…

> Bernie sanders brags about occupying government buildings.

Your whataboutism fails when I ask you how many police officers Bernie Sanders bludgeoned to death.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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And yet Apple and Google have never taken any action against twitter despite similar content over the past four years threatening or organizing violence on twitter - content which is still there to this day. America has fallen into an Orwellian society. Would have never thought that possible, but to see the number of people supportive of such a society is mind boggling.

Twitter actually makes a good faith effort to try. The same cannot be said of the president or areas where his followers tend to congregate.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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I am curious for the people against such action by Stripe, what conditions do you think are appropriate before cutting off this kind of service to a customer? I imagine there must be some conditions that would make one say "we are enabling this individual's actions" to some definiton of "actions" that you disagree with.

Honestly? Breaking the law. Companies providing a service should not care what it is used for. If society has a problem with what people are using services for, it should pass laws, and the companies should comply with the requirements of the law. I don't know why we are allowing massive companies with unchecked power to make decisions about what is acceptable behaviour on social networks. Since when did they make th…

> Honestly? Breaking the law.

Good news!

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