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It's the same problem with A14 iPhones. You're stuck running iOS, which is not only too restricted to be of any use, but also too slow to showcase the hardware.
People aren't saying that this isn't a very compelling CPU, they're just annoyed by the bullshit marketing, and the people blindly repeating it.
A lot of the arguments here seem to come from people thinking laptops are the only game in town. When someone makes unqualified claims about the m1 beating "all the other PC cpus" of course people are going to compare it to desktop chips. Even Apple themselves advertised it as the "worlds fastest CPU core" when they announced it, which is blatantly untrue. People aren't saying that this isn't a very compelling CPU, t…
Is it? In Geekbench the M1 was outperforming the 5950X in single-core.
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/jspnhp/apple_new_m1_ch...
EDIT: Looks like that post is comparing 2 different Geekbench versions. Newer Geekbench versions have optimizations for Zen 3, putting it back at the top.
A lot of the arguments here seem to come from people thinking laptops are the only game in town. When someone makes unqualified claims about the m1 beating "all the other PC cpus" of course people are going to compare it to desktop chips. Even Apple themselves advertised it as the "worlds fastest CPU core" when they announced it, which is blatantly untrue. People aren't saying that this isn't a very compelling CPU, t…
> Even Apple themselves advertised it as the "worlds fastest CPU core" when they announced it, which is blatantly untrue. Is it? In Geekbench the M1 was outperforming the 5950X in single-core. Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/jspnhp/apple_new_m1_ch... EDIT: Looks like that post is comparing 2 different Geekbench versions. Newer Geekbench versions have optimizations for Zen 3, putting it back at the top.
Highest m1 single core score is 1716 (https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/search?q=Apple+M1)
(Of course they're likely overclocked past factory settings, but if we ignore those results that's not the fastest CPU core in the world, is it?)
Geekbench has also not traditionally been a benchmark used for x86 desktop chips, it's more commonly used to compare android and apple phones.
These pundits know which side of his bread is buttered. He knows that his clients were caught off-guard by the M1 announcement. He needs to give his clients enough time to sell their Intel stock before it becomes conventional wisdom that the legacy chip makers have a business model that doesn't work.
The history of the tech industry is dotted with pundits nay-saying anything new from companies they aren't in bed with. Eventually they can't deny reality any longer. Through the magic of the media's short-term memory they change their song and deny they've every said anything else.
I remember in the 1980s when the top pundit of the industry was John C. Dvorak. Everyone read his column. EVERYONE. The Amiga was a potential threat to John, who was aligned with the MS-DOS world. He wrote many columns about how multitasking was stupid because "your desk can't fit more than one keyboard and mouse". Yeah, that was his reason. Of course, once MS-Windows arrived, suddenly his column was about how multitasking is this new thing, the best thing, the thing everyone should have. If you don't have it, you're an ignorant loser. I remember telling my friends that I wish I had saved his old, anti-Amiga/anti-multitasking, columns because I want to show up at one of his public appearances to ask how MS-Windows allows you to fit so many keyboards on his desk.
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When iPhone came out in 2007, Android was still an OS for BlackBerry like devices. It didn't take long for Android to discover touch screens once Apple made it clear that they were dramatically better. Similarly, it's not like other ARM chip manufacturers are going to have to go through all of the same R&D expense to figure out how to make chips that are comparably fast--they just need to copy what Apple did without…
> When iPhone came out in 2007, Android was still an OS for BlackBerry like devices. When iPhone came out in 2007, Android did not even exist. [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_(operating_system)
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> x86 is no more "Open" than ARM. Pinebook and Raspberry Pi both use no bullshit ARM setups. They're ARM SoCs, meaning that you can't just download the Ubuntu ARM ISO[1] and run it on either device like you could with an x86 ISO and an x86 machine. To run Ubuntu or any Linux distribution, you need to use images that were specially crafted for either SoC. This is because ARM SoCs use custom bootloaders and don't have…
While Apple likely has no motivation currently to make a UEFI-based ARM computer, there's nothing that prevent anyone else from doing so. UEFI is not x86-specific. (I also think it's a bit too early to say definitively that no ARM-based Apple computer will ever be able to boot into Linux. I don't think Apple has any motivation to make that easy, but that may not be the same as making it impossible.)
I've never owned a Mac and don't intend to own one but I'm very happy with this M1 move, mainly for the reasons highlighted in the introduction to the article: >M1 Macs embarrass all other PCs — all Intel-based Macs, including automobile-priced Mac Pros, and every single machine running Windows or Linux. Those machines are just standing around in their underwear now because the M1 stole all their pants. I think it's…
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> I would like the people downvoting you to explain why they think it's truly revolutionary. For one, it's the first PC chip with these kind of thermals and power combo. Second, it brings many new design decisions, from unified memory, to the SoC design, various coprocessors, etc, that have not been available in the form of laptop/desktop PCs. The last of this kind in the mass market would be something like the Amiga…
Exactly how is it much better? It's not the first chip with a 15-25W TDP. When compared to other chips with such a TDP, it's incrementally faster in single core and it trades blows in multicore. It does this at a process node ahead. For very light loads, it does have a slightly better power performance than existing low power PC processors, but not by that much. A Ryzen LPP core is somewhere between the big and the s…
Ok. Where can I buy a laptop with similar performance, battery life and cooling then?
Same arguments came out with the first iPhone. “It’s just a big screen! Other phones have a big screen!”
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But that won't happen unless there's a Windows ARM build that does everything that Windows does in x86: the market for Linux-only laptops is pretty small.
> the market for Linux-only laptops is pretty small. but growing more today than it was a few years ago because of the prevalence of Chromebooks in education. Many of which run ARM CPUs!