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Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County CCW case

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Re: Apple’s head of security indicted in Santa Clara County CCW case

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Concealed carry permits in California are the literal definition of privilege, "private law". If you're famous, rich, or the sheriff's friend, you can get one. Otherwise, you can pay a couple hundred bucks to apply and get told no. Rules for thee but not for me.

If you live in a place where you need a concealed carry permit to feel safe, you probably should move to a safer place.

The state will protect you.

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It’s insane that shall-issue is not the defacto standard. If you meet the requirements (not a felon etc) for exercising what is unarguably a constitutional right your participation in said right should not be at the gov’s leisure.

You are putting everyone else in danger when you start carrying weapons, as an ex-resident of the bay I'm really happy that the rules are against weapons in general

How exactly? IMHO, sf would be a lot safer if the criminals would have at least the concept that someone could respond to their violence with equal violence.

Today, aside from the slim chance of being caught by an unengaged police force, the cost is zero.

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Two things, to be clear -- 1) The sheriff's office initiated/required the bribe, it's not like Apple's head of security was trying to bribe, they were being extorted 2) It's Apple's head of physical security, not software security (since it's not clear at first) I'm curious -- if a county sheriff's office demands bribes, what is the correct legal course of action in the US? Do you bring it to county court? To the gov…

I'm glad you brought it up as extortion. You could record it yourself. I would go to the FBI since this is happening under the color of law, which is considered a civil rights violation. The ACLU should be interested too.

The ACLU probably would be involved already, but they don't care about the 2nd amendment for some reason. It's a "lesser" constitutional right it seems...

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> but, in some countries, you report your bribes on taxes, they're so common. Can you give any examples of those countries? Countries with high amount of bribing tend to also be countries with large off-the-record economies, therefore I am skeptical of that proposition. FYI in the US, you can claim tax deductibility on bribes paid in foreign countries iff they are not legally classified as bribes in the respective lo…

>> but, in some countries, you report your bribes on taxes > Can you give any examples of those countries? Germany used to be like this, but it they changed the law many years ago. I don't know if there are any such countries remaining. The article below is from 1995, when bribes were still tax-deductible. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/1995-08-06/germany-w...

I know of examples from El Salvador, but couldn't find good info on their tax laws in Spanish. This report mentions that extortion rackets are so pervasive that larger companies hire full time negotiators to manage their bribes, and have it built into their business models. No matter how you codify it, or whether or not you really call them officially "tax deductible", they are in fact a real operating cost that an American business doesn't ever have to consider but a third world one does, and it drives up cost for the end consumer.

Extortion is mainly demanded from businesses, but local residents may also have to pay “taxes” or renta to access their homes. No business sector is spared, and goods and professional services may be demanded instead of, or in addition to money. Large businesses and transport operators have dedicated employees to negotiate extortion fees, which are built into >their financial models. Implicit risk starts as soon as someone is targeted to pay, and it rises if they are unable to pay or the renta charged increases. Those who refuse to pay are killed.

https://www.internal-displacement.org/sites/default/files/in...

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California has the 7th lowest gun death rate. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/... California is 23rd in homicide rate. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/homicide_mortality...

26th in homicide according to wikipedia [0] but what is your point? The 'typical' murder involves people that know each other and has a motive. Loose firearm regulations enable mass shootings [1][2] which are more indiscriminate. Everyone has the right to bear arms but what do we do when that infringes on other peoples right to life? I think it's a cogent question. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._state…

Fewer than 200 Americans die every year from rifle homicides. This includes mass shootings. More die from falling in the shower or getting punched.

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I'm glad you brought it up as extortion. You could record it yourself. I would go to the FBI since this is happening under the color of law, which is considered a civil rights violation. The ACLU should be interested too.

The ACLU probably would be involved already, but they don't care about the 2nd amendment for some reason. It's a "lesser" constitutional right it seems...

They have taken a few 2A cases in more recent years. But true, it gets less attention.

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Step 1: "I'll have an answer for your shortly." Step 2: Apple calls FBI. FBI will take the call. Set up a sting operation. Step 3: Call the LEO back, reconfirm the bribe "just to confirm, this is 100 ipads for XX CC permits?", this time with the blessing of the FBI. Step 4: Arrest LEO, Apple claims PR success in rooting out local corruption.

Every other response, that argues the Apple employee had no power but to agree to this bribe, is wrong. So if China offers Apple free slave labor from Uighur camps and they accept, will people be explaining how they had no choice?

There is always a choice.

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A legitimate "charity/donation" request will get transferred to the "charity/donation" department with appropriate paperwork. A bribe like this will get buried into somebody's "untracked cash" account. The problem is that this is "Standard Operating Procedure" for "Security" departments as they're generally ex-police themselves. That's why they didn't think anything of it.

I didn't see the part about it being buried instead of through official channels. Did it have that in there?

If this went to the proper channels it would IMMEDIATELY get flagged for conflict-of-interest.

All these big company "security chiefs" run in the same circle. It simply became known that the easiest way to get your CCW was bribery.

They already got folks at Facebook. Now Apple. They're going to get more.

And I love the quote that this is about the rivalry between "Rosen and Sheriff Smith." As we have repeatedly seen, even when the DA and Sheriff hate each other, the DA doesn't go after the police. If the DA is making a move, the Feds are already involved behind the scenes forcing the DA to move.

I suspect this fell out of some Federal security contract or a Federal security clearance background check for somebody.

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