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2020 Mac Mini – Putting Apple Silicon M1 To The Test

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Re: 2020 Mac Mini – Putting Apple Silicon M1 To The Test

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Post by 314 »

sudosysgen wrote: post #537
314 wrote: post #458

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It's really not clear what you are trying to argue here. The number of single-threaded benchmarks are irrelevant to this point: when the M1 was compared to the 5950X in a multithreaded comparison: * The 5950X was 2x faster * The 5950X was using 4x the power (28W system vs 105W+ for the processor). * The M1 only has 4 performance cores, the 5950X has 16. Even counting the high-efficiency cores as full cores in the com…

You're being obtuse. The only test you're using is Geekbench, which just isn't useful for these kinds of comparisons. In other multicore benchmarks, the M1 gets beaten by parts with lower TDPs by AMD, and the 5950X has something like 3 to 4+ times more performance.

Calling me obtuse doesn't add anything of value to the discussion. I was pointing out the multithreaded benchmark in response to the claim that there were none. Read kllrnohj's response that is the sibling to your comment to see how to make a point effectively.

Re: 2020 Mac Mini – Putting Apple Silicon M1 To The Test

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Post by Ericson2314 »

dwighttk wrote: post #603
rowanG077 wrote: post #589

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Afaik it's a memory hog but it doesn't really use more or less battery then other browsers.

so it uses more memory but not more battery?

That's...not a contradiction?

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Post by gnicholas »

simonh wrote: post #592
gnicholas wrote: post #558

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I saw that comment in a couple different places. Presumably Chrome is running through Rosetta 2, whereas Safari is native to the M1. I imagine once Chrome is available natively, performance will be somewhat better, though probably still not as good as Safari.

On the new machines yes, but none if the people you read about before today had AS machines, they were all comparing Chrome and Safari on Intel, so it’s unlikely that stays quiet will change once Chrone is native on AS.

I was referring to multiple reviews of new Apple hardware, just to clarify.

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Post by jychang »

simonh wrote: post #592
gnicholas wrote: post #558

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I saw that comment in a couple different places. Presumably Chrome is running through Rosetta 2, whereas Safari is native to the M1. I imagine once Chrome is available natively, performance will be somewhat better, though probably still not as good as Safari.

On the new machines yes, but none if the people you read about before today had AS machines, they were all comparing Chrome and Safari on Intel, so it’s unlikely that stays quiet will change once Chrone is native on AS.

Actually, I think it will. The M1 chip takes a lot smaller proportion of power of the laptop to run (compared to say, the LCD, ssd, etc). If the new macbook air idles at 6W and runs chrome at 10W with no fan, people are barely gonna notice. That’s a big difference compared to an intel machine running chrome at 35+ watts.

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Post by jasonjayr »

majormunky wrote: post #543
testfoobar wrote: post #538

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I particularly like Chrome profiles. I have a few profiles with their own bookmarks/histories/open tabs/etc. For example, one of my profiles is "Shopping". Another is "Work" and yet another is "Social Media". Context switching profiles at a macro level - as opposed to intermingling work/shopping/social - is beneficial to me. When I switch over to "Shopping", I have my tabs on whatever purchase I'm researching open. I…

Firefox has something like this called containers. The best example is one for facebook, where any call to any facebook servers only works in the facebook container. It has similar setups as well, Work, Home, Commerce, etc.

I switched from Chrome to FF as my daily driver, and miss being able to have multiple simultaneous instances with different proxy configs (via a --proxy-server="socks4://localhost:####" command line flag).

FF as far as I know does not have a way to do this as easily, you have to spin up different profiles and click through each one to configure it.

I still have chromium around for primarily this reason.

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Post by xienze »

AgloeDreams wrote: post #392
xuki wrote: post #224

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Apple is the kind of company that will choose to slim down the laptop instead of making it 2 day battery life.

I'm not sure I or really anyone actually wants a 2 day battery life. Like, we can do that on smartphones right now but users have signaled that the 1 day device is fine for them, notably because of the human gap. You know the gap. If you charge your phone every night it becomes a habit tied to your daily routine. If you were to charge your phone every other night, you might lose track of what day you are on, not char…

> I'm not sure I or really anyone actually wants a 2 day battery life.

I do, because that means it could probably do 8 hours at high load.

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Post by car »

paulpan wrote: post #586
CapriciousCptl wrote: post #4

From the article's conclusion... "The M1 undisputedly outperforms the core performance of everything Intel has to offer, and battles it with AMD’s new Zen3, winning some, losing some. And in the mobile space in particular, there doesn’t seem to be an equivalent in either ST or MT performance – at least within the same power budgets." This is the first in-depth review validating all the hype. Assuming the user experie…

Unsung hero here is TSMC and their industry-leading 5nm fabrication node. Apple deserves praise for its SOC architecture on the M1 and putting it together, but the manufacturing advantage is worth noting. Apple is essentially combining the tick (die/node shrink) and tock (microarchitecture) cadences together each year, at least the past 2-3 years. The question, perhaps a moot one, is how much the performance gains ca…

Worth mentioning is the insane and disruptive technology making TSMC's 5nm possible. ASML and it's suppliers have built a machine[1] that has a sci-fi feel to it. It took decades to get it all right, from the continous laser source to the projection optics for the extreme ultraviolet light[2]. This allowed photolithography to jump from 193nm light to 13.5nm, very close to x-rays. The CO2 laser powering the EUV light source is made by Trumpf[3].

Edit:More hands-on video from Engadget about EUV at Intels Oregon facility[4]

[1]https://www.asml.com/en/products/euv-lithography-systems/twi... [2]https://youtu.be/f0gMdGrVteI [3]https://www.trumpf.com/en_US/solutions/applications/euv-lith... [4]https://youtu.be/oIiqVrKDtLc

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Post by username90 »

breakfastduck wrote: post #314
matvore wrote: post #229

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I suspect there is an element of truth to it. I agree they will keep the Unix core and allow you to use clang and ld however you want. I suspect, however, they're not interested in supporting alternate OS's nor are they interested in allowing typical users to download normie GUI apps from anywhere.

Oh absolutely, it's just not as extreme as people make out. Yes, they won't support dual booting linux - you can run a VM, but if that's a dealbreaker - fair enough. There's absolutely no chance however that savvy users will not be able to continue running non app store apps. Apple want control, but they're not stupid enough to completely lock down the development machines for their entire ecosystem.

> Apple want control, but they're not stupid enough to completely lock down the development machines for their entire ecosystem.

There isn't much people can do about that though? You basically have to run their OS to develop apps for Apple products, and people who don't develop apps for Apple products don't use Mac's anyway. Just make a laptop appstore with everything you need to develop Apple products and they could force all programs to go on it and they would lose almost no users of their laptops.

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Post by dm319 »

taftster wrote: post #120
dtech wrote: post #11

Impressive results from Apple, and another well-deserved kick in the teeth for Intel after years of stagnation. The coming decade is going to finally see some interesting developments in the CPU market again.

Right, I think in the end, this is going to show just how bad monopolies (or near-monopolies) can be for innovation. These are super impressive results, just hoping that the rest of Apple (software, developer relations) can turn away from the draconian future they are currently heading.

What do you think this means for people who don't like Apple's business model? I don't want to be left behind on outdated hardware just because I'm a Linux user.
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