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Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Post by namrog84 »

jwilber wrote: post #605
growlist wrote: post #586

Does anyone think this would not have been crushed without mercy if the protestors were 'white supremacists'? Serious question. The irony is that if these AZs were permitted it could give said segregationists exactly what they had been after for decades.

Serious answer. Hoping for an actual reply but if feels like you’re just baiting given your “white supremacist” line in quotes (???). If you mean to ask what would happen if white people took it over? Having been through chaz a few times, the population is overwhelming white (Seattle itself is only ~7% black). Capitol Hill is itself a white, gentrified area. Or do you mean actual white supremacists? Charleston went d…

Not OP. But lots of people just use single quotes for emphasis. And not neccesarily the way i think you think it to mean. Not sure OP intention but kust wanted to say lots of people use single quote to imply italicized(emphasis).

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Post by jakelazaroff »

zeveb wrote: post #476
jakelazaroff wrote: post #397

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Are we seeing the same front page of foxnews.com? The top story is about the Capital Hill Autonomous Zone, and the biggest text on the page says "Clueless in Seattle".

No, I do not see that anywhere on the page. I do see '"YOU HAVE HIJACKED THIS" Black community activists clash with Seattle anarchists over BLM message, seized district' and other stuff like 'Washington restaurant apologizes after police officer finds derogatory acronym on receipt' and 'Seattle mayor, police chief deny making call to abandon police precinct.' It's mostly sane news. I wonder if it shows different thin…

Just checked back, it seems they've changed the headline.

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Post by jeremiahhs »

growlist wrote: post #586

Does anyone think this would not have been crushed without mercy if the protestors were 'white supremacists'? Serious question. The irony is that if these AZs were permitted it could give said segregationists exactly what they had been after for decades.

Just as the right wing Proud Boys in New York were ruthlessly put away by the criminal justice system, while no just example was made of left wing antifa.

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Post by freeone3000 »

dgellow wrote: post #491
jakelazaroff wrote: post #448

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But you see stuff like that at music festivals as well, in the form of police. So I'm asking why this is scary or notable but that is not.

Just my personal opinion: I’m from a european country, so not a US perspective. Anyone with a weapon is scary as hell. I avoid to come close to any military or police people if they seem to be armed. Also I don’t know how are festivals in the US, but I’ve never seen armed cops at one, and would be really uncomfortable if there would be some.

All police are armed in the US and Canada, and police doing crowd control is fairly common. I can think of a few where it was entirely private, but every "aboveground" festival I've gone to has had armed police.

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Post by hopfscotch3 »

devalgo wrote: post #606
hopfscotch2 wrote: post #583

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"unaccountable armed guards" Just like the police you love so much? What's the problem again?

Probably not wise to put words in my mouth. I have no love for the police but the kumbaya bs people are spouting about the CHAZ is ludicrous.

lol who cares? I'll take "kumbaya bs" over a lot of alternatives.

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Post by Fellshard »

shadowgovt wrote: post #607
Fellshard wrote: post #579

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Because some people are still rational enough to treat individuals on an individual basis.

If that means people are taking the SPC's word as truth because they have priors she's generally truthful, that's sensible. If people are taking the SPC's word as truth because they have priors that cops are truthful, that's an invalid prior based on how much general lying recent events have demonstrated cops do. If people are taking SPC's word as truth because they have no priors, that's bias to authority and people…

That is a much better question.

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Post by freeone3000 »

bowmessage wrote: post #556
undersuit wrote: post #466

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I hate the laughter at the vegetable garden. Oh lets mock people for planting what could be food where it used to a a useless piece of turf. We shouldn't be mocking them we should be following their example across the country.

It wasn't a useless piece of turf, it was a park that the residents of the neighborhood, myself included, used to be able to enjoy. Now we can't, because hundreds are camping on the area. I am all for their cause, but I feel like the methodology of 'camping in a park' is not the right way to enact civic change at a policy level.

You can't go to the park, because it's too crowded, because people are gathering there to enact change.

I'm sorry, I simply disagree as to the role of public space in a free society -- them occupying the park is the LEAST objectionable thing about this.

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Post by jyrkesh »

TheGrim999 wrote: post #570
ogre_codes wrote: post #427

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> Seattle police chief said on TV And the media didn't post a non-biased account of what's going on? It's become incredibly difficult to take what the PD says at face value anymore.

Whether or not the PD is biased is one thing, but it's kind of a joke if you're honestly suggesting that Seattle news media isn't also extremely biased and partisan.

While The Stranger is obviously pretty left-wing, KOMO, KIRO and MyNorthWest are pretty right-wing, actually. KOMO in particular did the Seattle is Dying[1] documentary that was ultimately pro law-enforcement (framing the homelessness debate largely as a problem with judges not sentencing detained criminals, leading to a reduction in arrests as police felt they were useless). Jason Rantz[2] gets a fair bit of publicity out here as well for his conservative coverage of this stuff.

Now I'd say your statement about "extremely biased and partisan" is accurate, but the implication was that it's exclusively in a pro-protestor sense, and that's really not the case.

I say this as someone who lives on the political fringes and generally disagrees with both sides of the partisanship.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpAi70WWBlw [2] https://mynorthwest.com/category/jason-rantz/?

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Post by deathgrips »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #447
deathgrips wrote: post #292

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I have a gun and my right to defend myself is a practical, factual statement. American police have no duty to protect you and are free from legal punishment if they choose to idly wait while you are assaulted and raped.[0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia...

You missed the point. You can assert your rights all the livelong day, but without a criminal justice apparatus all you have are a gun and some fine words. Given the relatively high mortality among armed gang members in America's underpoliced inner cities, your gun isn't the reason you and yours enjoy relatively low mortality--the difference is either one of policing or fine words, and I'm pretty sure it's not the la…

No, you are missing the point. Without a gun there is nothing keeping you safe aside from a cop's whims. If someone wanted to walk into your house/office and kill you, a cop would (1) stop them, (2) choose not to stop them and not get punished for it, or (3) not get to you in time to be of any help. Defending yourself is the fourth option you exercise with your right to self-defense. If you really think that cops are bad, arrange your life so that your life doesn't depend on their whims. I live in a state where at least two thirds of people own guns (usually multiple guns) and the crime rate is very low.

Re: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Post by cma »

Izkata wrote: post #484
preinheimer wrote: post #461

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So one might expect the taco joint to be the most popular. But explicitly the parent is saying that the taco joint is more popular than all of the burger joints _combined_. Which is not what I would have guessed.

Would you have guessed it if there were equal numbers of burger-lovers and taco-lovers? 'Cause despite what it looks like online, the US is about equally split between liberal and conservative.

If CNN was as partisan as MSNBC, maybe.
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