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Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by ClumsyPilot » Mon, May 18, 2020, 5:54 PM UTC

fieryscribe wrote: post #379

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #282

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Ah yes, the idea that profit driven management is a better juror of freedom than our democratic society. Whatever they decide, they owe you no explanation or recourse. After all, these people are 'accountable' to wall street. To them 2008 and Boeing 737 were an unforceable turn of fortune, and they should bear no harm from it.

Whatever the government decides, they rarely, if ever, provide an explanation or recourse either: the Patriot Act, Ahmad Arbury, TBTF, the assassination of Awlaki, snooping on Americans, Operation Fast and the Furious, the Pentagon's missing billions, Epstein's death, etc. I'm as pro-democracy as they come, but the belief that the government is somehow (and always) more accountable than companies strains credulity. C…

Accountability to wallstreet = accountability to consumers? Where is this idea even coming from? Can you name a single instance of Wallstreet punishing anti-consumer practices? Did AT&T selling of customer location data affect stock price?

All your examples are from defence. I've been watching people challenge in court every kind of decision, from roadbuilding to Brexit.

But tech companies circumvent laws, uber is not a taxy company, people driving them are not employees, Youtube is not a media company, etc. Every time this happens, voting becomes more and more meaningless.

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by bobthepanda » Mon, May 18, 2020, 5:54 PM UTC

pokepim wrote: post #550

11thEarlOfMar wrote: post #456

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Hyper-nationalism is a backlash to globalism due to the recently realized risks of opaque governments exploiting transparent governments. The intentions were good: Reduce the risk of global nuclear war. The globalism outcome is good for trade and relations with nations that have transparent governments, bad with the opaque.

Was it really bad for US until China started working on 5G and trying to become independent in semiconductor sector? Because until that time globalism was pretty profitable in terms of trade and relations for US.

People have been going on about China in the US since their ascension to the WTO. Plenty of federal politicians have been elected on platforms for pushing hawkwish trade policy with China.

Obama and Romney both ran with the policy of designating China a currency manipulator in 2008: https://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2017/03/currency-manip...

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by klyrs » Mon, May 18, 2020, 5:54 PM UTC

koheripbal wrote: post #112

I think a more fundamental problem is a single private company having a near-monopoly on various public communication channels, and having financial interests in various global dictatorships. The Founding Fathers could not have predicted this. Google's "We're a private company" get-out-jail-free card cannot continue to apply.

This is a problem with monopolies, not censorship. When private companies are forced to publish content, you have fundamentally lost the notion of a free press.

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by coronadisaster » Mon, May 18, 2020, 5:55 PM UTC

mattcrox wrote: post #552

coronadisaster wrote: post #540

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Apple is only better because it is smaller but it does a lot of the same things and often lies about it... A pure and open Linux phone is the only way that it could get better.

"but it does a lot of the same things and often lies about it" Can you provide evidence of this? Not that I don't believe you (nor do I have any financial interest in Apple), but I'm not a fan of seeing baseless accusations on HN.

Sorry, I thought that it was well known... did a quick search and found this: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/oct/18/imessage-...

duck.com for more examples...

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by yur3i__ » Mon, May 18, 2020, 5:55 PM UTC

ng12 wrote: post #512

shadowgovt wrote: post #326

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Actually it's super-easy; barely an inconvenience. Most Western customers really do not care. Like, really-really. The default attitude is "Well, China has its rules and the Western nations have theirs. They can get along." Leaks between rulesets are relatively rare in the sea of regular day-to-day operations. And honestly, I don't think the CCP's goals are as far different from the goals of, say, the US government's…

> Most Western customers really do not care. Like, really-really. I think this is starting to change and it gives me a lot of hope. The fallout from the NBA and Blizzard incidents was pretty significant and the HK protests received far more attention than any others in recent years.

Its changing in tech circles sure. But YouTube probably doesn't care if we don't like them

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by mmhsieh » Mon, May 18, 2020, 5:55 PM UTC

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #138

mmhsieh wrote: post #50

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What if "共匪" is presented graphically? Do the sniffers have the image recognition to flag those too?

Generic corporate spam filters can OCR for spam text in pictures and have been able to do that for many years, I would assume Google can too.

Very interesting. I wonder what would happen if you put in some special noise from adversarial AI methods today. Would be a real arms race of detection vs evasion.

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by djsumdog » Mon, May 18, 2020, 5:56 PM UTC

SilasX wrote: post #582

subsubzero wrote: post #472

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Here are some numbers to keep you up at night, they are very scary: Google controls 91.89% of the search market [1] G controls 68% of the browser market [2] G's android is on 84% of phones operating systems [3] G has 73% of the search advertising market [4] [1] https://gs.statcounter.com/search-engine-market-share [2] https://www.statista.com/statistics/544400/market-share-of-i... [3] https://beta.trimread.com/articl…

At risk of nitpicking, why do say "controls" rather than e.g. "services" or "handles"? When you say "controls" it's like you're saying Google has some kind of monopoly power that makes it hard to switch. And yet anyone can easily switch to e.g. DuckDuckGo. If that's a monopoly, it's not quite the kind of a monopoly we should generally be worried about. Browsers would be a different issue. In that case, there are netw…

They do in fact control Android. The open headset alliance means Android is open source in name only. Only tinkerers/hackers use ASOP derivatives by itself (or some foreign manufactures that cannot to offer Google Play services .. or Amazon Fire makers).

They dominate the software ecosystem. Although it's not difficult to load 3rd party applications, it's certainly not common. Their removal of the Podcast Addicts app is a great example. Also you cannot interface with things like Android Auto without getting Google's golden approval (so no Android Auto for F-Drop apps)

I did a full post on all the gripes I had with Android a few years back, and I think they all still apply: https://battlepenguin.com/tech/android-fragmentation/

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by tidepod12 » Mon, May 18, 2020, 5:56 PM UTC

ddevault wrote: post #598

tidepod12 wrote: post #567

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> I haven't told anyone to quit and start their own company rather than work for Google Your past comments and submissions to HN say otherwise. You have been very outspoken and proud about the fact that you haven't taken money from "the man" (my words, not yours), and that others should do the same [0][1]. Whether it be a VC or Google, your messaging is clear. >Who is using SourceHut to build software I disagree with…

>Your past comments and submissions to HN say otherwise. You have been very outspoken and proud about the fact that you haven't taken money from "the man" (my words, not yours), and that others should do the same [0] Your link omits context. A couple of comments up is this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23080485 In the quoted link I am speaking from the perspective of a startup founder offering advice to poten…

>Your link omits context. A couple of comments up is this:

So your context arguing against my assertion that you are telling people to quit and start their own company is a link to a comment telling people they should quit and start their own company?

How about this [0] comment? I'll quote it here for you:

>But, I may suggest an additional option: do something about it. Build a business that eschews VC culture, or become a VC who doesn't fit in among their blood-sucking peers.

>This is a disingenous line of questioning. Google employees are aware of their employer's misbehaviors.

You're still dodging the question, and your reasoning is "I've stuck my head in the sand and I'm going to pretend nobody is using my site for things I disagree with"?

I'll ask it again and maybe you won't dodge it this time: You just admitted that you do not conduct audits on private projects. Without a doubt, someone is now or will be in the future using your site to build software that you disagree with. Knowing this, how do you justify still hosting your site instead of shutting it down?

0: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23073740

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by MiSeRyDeee » Mon, May 18, 2020, 5:56 PM UTC

Swenrekcah wrote: post #130

humaid wrote: post #59

Similar happens with the name "Eric Ciaramella", which YouTube instantly deletes. This is a name of a CIA whistle blower. It would be interesting to know what other words are in the YouTube censor list.

Interesting, but there is a pretty clear difference between censorship to protect an individual and censorship of critisising a government.

Can't you even see removing the CIA's whistle blower's name is in interest of US gov? How can that be interpreted as protecting an individual?

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by ddevault » Mon, May 18, 2020, 5:56 PM UTC

myspider wrote: post #568

ddevault wrote: post #38

Google & YouTube employees on HN: how do you justify still working at this company? Enough of the cognitive dissonance. Face your choices and tell me how you square yourself with them. For shame.

- Not a google employee - Am an employee of a large company whose practices would probably also not stand up to public scrutiny First question is has this been verified beyond "someone said so"? Perhaps it has - but any search I do ultimately leads back to the same comment. Second, google is hardly the only company to occasionally kowtow the the PRC. I don't think any large company wants to a face-off with them. Are…

This is a pretty narrow view of the available jobs for software engineers. I have personally never worked for any of the industries/criteria you listed. I just pulled up the latest "who's hiring":

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23042618

Of the first 12 posts, one is the FBI, one is questionable (using proxies to circumvent rate limits, anti-scraping tech, etc), and the other 10 seem anywhere from boring to laudable.

Most tech jobs do not require you to make broad ethical compromises to work there.