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Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by erfgh »

alwillis wrote: post #533
lawtalkinghuman wrote: post #278

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I'm reasonably sure USD (or EUR) will still exist, have some reasonably similar value, and be usable in five years. There are quite a lot of crypto tokens I do not have anywhere near that level of confidence in.

I'm reasonably sure USD (or EUR) will still exist, have some reasonably similar value, and be usable in five years. Sure, but even with an inflation rate of 2%, if you hold USD for 10 years, its purchasing power is cut in half. Every BAT token that’s ever going to exist has already been minted, so it can’t be inflated by creating more of it. There will be no quantitive easing, “too big to fail” or bailouts in the BAT…

> Sure, but even with an inflation rate of 2%, if you hold USD for 10 years, its purchasing power is cut in half.

So what will be the purchasing power of BAT in 10 years?

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Post by csharp »

atombender wrote: post #115

I've been using Brave for a few months, and I'm basically using it as an un-Googled Chrome. Not using the ad rewards system. It's pretty good, though I sometimes miss Safari with its amazing location bar autocompletion and ease of syncing with the iOS version. (Brave supports syncs, but it's not great, and the iOS app is nowhere as good as Safari on iOS.) Brave does have some bugs. Since July or so, several sites (in…

What do you like about Safari that iOS Brave is missing? We are quite a bit faster than Safari, and our private mode is more aggressive against things like cookies and writing data to disk.

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Post by csharp »

techntoke wrote: post #356
etr71115 wrote: post #254

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgl7FLh7QsA

Weird to watch how long it takes to load a single site using their demo video. Makes me think that they are using some type of preloading, which would mean that your web requests are actually being sent to Brave. It appears after some brief research that they are infact precaching, and the other browsers they are testing against we don't have any details on their configuration but can clearly see that they do not hav…

We don't collect your browsing data, and it isn't proxied through Brave. I am unsure what preloading information you found. All of our configurations are open source, so if there is something particular you are looking for, it is visible. We are also comparing browser defaults here. However, our adblocking approach is built directly into the browser using a Rust library and can function faster than a Chrome extension.

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Post by NotSammyHagar »

moksly wrote: post #575
cortesoft wrote: post #504

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Yeah, but I bet the typical hackernews reader is in an age group and wealth level that is more valuable than the average internet user.

I wouldn’t be so sure. I mean it’s anecdotal, but I rarely buy things. I buy all my clothes from the same internet store, and I do mean all, I have five pairs of shaping new tomorrow pants and when they get worn I replace them with the same damn pants. I heard about them from a coworker who uses them. Almost all my purchasing habits are like that, and I suspect I may not be the only one on HN. I do click on the occas…

We all would like to see what these pants are, so good the style is good forever. You'll have to decide if you use an affiliate link ;-)

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Post by cyborgx7 »

frogpelt wrote: post #520
cyborgx7 wrote: post #442

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I do pay several patreon, have automatic transfer set up for two projects, and a long standing subscription to a website I'm a fan of. But people don't need to realize anything for ads to die. All they need to realize is that they should all be using ad blockers and never ever turning it off again. Being able to make people look in your direction long enough to show them something else they might spend money on is no…

Sorry but this is a very disingenuous stance. The only way you would find new products or services is by 20th century word of mouth or search. And search is built on a mountain of ad dollars. Are you claiming that you don't need Google?

I'm claiming a search engine can exist without relying on advertising. There are other ways of discovering products and services than advertising. In fact, I'd argue that the amount of things I want I discovered through advertising is minuscule compared to the amount I discovered through direct recommendation, seeking it out myself and professional reviews (I seek out myself).

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Post by cyborgx7 »

nybble41 wrote: post #505
cyborgx7 wrote: post #475

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No, in making provisions for the advertising industry in their business model, they are aiding its survival. I will always recommend a proper adblocker over this.

You are of course free to do as you wish, but since you're applying "guilty by association" logic to Brave—regardless of the fact that using it without enabling the ads does absolutely nothing to help the advertising industry—I really hope that you also refuse to have anything to do with any sites that receive any of their funding through advertising. Enabling an adblocker doesn't reduce that contamination in any sen…

>but since you're applying "guilty by association" logic to Brave

That's a misunderstanding. It's not a guilty by association thing. It's that there is already a thing more in line with accomplishing my goals, since uBlock Origin has no provisions for ad companies to still make money.

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Post by atombender »

csharp wrote: post #612
atombender wrote: post #115

I've been using Brave for a few months, and I'm basically using it as an un-Googled Chrome. Not using the ad rewards system. It's pretty good, though I sometimes miss Safari with its amazing location bar autocompletion and ease of syncing with the iOS version. (Brave supports syncs, but it's not great, and the iOS app is nowhere as good as Safari on iOS.) Brave does have some bugs. Since July or so, several sites (in…

What do you like about Safari that iOS Brave is missing? We are quite a bit faster than Safari, and our private mode is more aggressive against things like cookies and writing data to disk.

Honestly, I've not found any speed difference.

Things I don't like:

* Autocompletion is much worse than Safari. See screenshot comparison [1]. The results are dinky and hard to read, and rarely include history or bookmarks. For example, in the screenshot, if I type "p", it matches bookmarks and history, but the suggestions disappear if I type anything more, despite the fact that "photothera" is a substring.

* Brave's tabs (though the tab overview is nice). Mobile is just too small to show tabs.

* The fact that the location bar is filled with widgets that give only about 30% of the space to the URL.

* Syncing of bookmarks, history, etc. seems to randomly stop working. It's never really worked for me. Syncing should just work seamlessly with iCloud, and not require the manual step that it currently does.

* "Find in page" doesn't work for PDFs.

Plus, the privacy bugs (see my previous comment) that never get solved. Being aggressive about cookies is one thing; breaking non-abusive sites without any workaround isn't acceptable.

I don't really use private mode, so that's not relevant for me. I also don't use Brave Rewards, so the big icon in the address bar is annoying.

[1] https://imgur.com/a/nygTJ9f

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Post by leftyted »

wpietri wrote: post #567
leftyted wrote: post #398

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> That really isn't an argument worth taking seriously. I think it is. I've used Google search, gmail, youtube, and Google docs since they've existed. I've paid $0 for them. My understanding is that these services are paid for by ads but I've had an ad blocker most of that time. If everyone started using an ad blocker, what would happen to Google/those services? I don't know, but I feel uneasy about the fact that ser…

Yes, Brave's approach is interesting. No, there's no reason to think that Google will have a problem finding other ways to fund services that people like and use. They already charge people for Docs, Gmail, and YouTube. Search is funded by non-display ads, which most ad blockers don't bother with because their relevance means people like them.

The idea that "you know" what would happen if, overnight, everyone started using ublock origin, is silly. What part of Google's revenue comes, indirectly, from "display ads"? I have no idea.

I think it's safe to say that there would be repercussions if everyone started blocking ads. Maybe Google isn't the best example but there are websites that block my access because I have an ad blocker. They aren't doing that for no reason.

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Post by cyborgx7 »

tuesdayrain wrote: post #605
cyborgx7 wrote: post #443

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No. You don't understand. It's not enough for me not to see ads anymore. I want the advertising industry to die. The entire thing. Its existence is harmful to society.

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