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Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by xedeon »

makomk wrote: post #536
xedeon wrote: post #309

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> Apparently identifying speed limit signs is AP1-only, because it relied on Mobileye's technology to do that and Tesla still haven't implemented their own replacement for that feature yet. It's more of Tesla can't because because MobileEye owns the patent: https://patents.google.com/patent/US20080137908A1/en

That patent only seems to cover using the same camera for both sign recognition and forward collision detection by switching between two different sets of image capture parameters and then dividing the frames captured between the two different algorithms. It's not a general patent on sign recognition. Tesla have enough cameras on their current cars, and camera technology has improved by enough over the years, that I…

> That patent only seems to cover using the same camera for both sign recognition

That is THE meat and potatoes of the patent. Sign recognition. i.e. speed limit signs. I'm not a patent lawyer so I will not pretend to know enough of the scope.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by xeromal »

otterley wrote: post #599
xeromal wrote: post #581

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That's literally what the tesla does. You tie a profile to a key, card, or phone.

Right - I meant that it can also be accomplished with an old-school analog system, too. It doesn't require a tablet-based system like Tesla's as a baseline.

There's no tablet involved after the initial setup you do when you buy the car. As soon as I unlock the car, everything moves into place.

And for the set up, it is analog. There's 2 trackball-like things you jigger around to move your seat, mirrors, and steering column.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by xeromal »

NullPrefix wrote: post #540
jstummbillig wrote: post #439

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Now that's just unlucky for parent :) The great thing about the touch screen is not the UI experience, but the flexibility when it comes to updates that also include new features. When you go the hardware controller route on a product that is still heavily being interrated on, you quickly run out of intuitive ways to clearly label and/or manipulate things or an exzessive number of buttons with integrated screens (to…

>The great thing about the touch screen is ... the flexibility when it comes to updates that also include new features That's the main problem. Change is good only if it's optional, by choice. Forced redesign only makes designers happy, because they can now stop looking at that old version that they released some years ago and want to sunset it.

If you look at the 2012 Tesla dashboard, you'll see that it's influenced by really aged design patterns, it's good that they iterate on the UI as long as it's kept in check and doesn't become a Windows 7 to Windows 8 fiasco.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by otterley »

xeromal wrote: post #612
otterley wrote: post #599

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right - I meant that it can also be accomplished with an old-school analog system, too. It doesn't require a tablet-based system like Tesla's as a baseline.

There's no tablet involved after the initial setup you do when you buy the car. As soon as I unlock the car, everything moves into place. And for the set up, it is analog. There's 2 trackball-like things you jigger around to move your seat, mirrors, and steering column.

Is the climate control analog, too? That's really what I'm referring to.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by xeromal »

otterley wrote: post #614
xeromal wrote: post #612

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no tablet involved after the initial setup you do when you buy the car. As soon as I unlock the car, everything moves into place. And for the set up, it is analog. There's 2 trackball-like things you jigger around to move your seat, mirrors, and steering column.

Is the climate control analog, too? That's really what I'm referring to.

The climate control is tied to your key fob too so it changes based on who unlocks it. It even stores the direct of the vents for people who like air in their face vs over their head or below their feet.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by webXL »

kerkeslager wrote: post #564
aembleton wrote: post #447

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Don't you find a reversing camera useful? You can see much more than with your rear view mirror.

I've never had one and I've never backed into anything without it. I'm not really opposed to reversing cameras by themselves, but a) it takes up dashboard real estate for a feature I don't really use, and b) as soon as you put a screen on the dashboard, the company is going to want to put all sorts of annoying "features" into it.

Backup cams are mandated now, so it's good thing they didn't rely on this sample size of 1. Small children and pets everywhere will be less likely to get run over as a result.

The company puts those features in there because the market is telling them to. Bad UX is orthogonal to that fact.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by webXL »

Shivetya wrote: post #199
tidepod12 wrote: post #109

Bit of a bad look that the video clip showing Smart Summon shows the Tesla driving the wrong direction down a one-way lane... This might be a situation where Tesla Smart Summon works only when Tesla's are still rare. In areas where they are more common, I imagine a traffic jam of confused driverless Teslas trying to move past each other but get stuck in a small lane like the one in the video.

Owner of a Tesla model 3. Summon is the canary in the coal mine. As in, unless it shows signs of life then the fairy tale of self driving cars is just that, a fairy tale. If they cannot get a safe an accurate summon to work why should I ever believe my car will ever drive on its own. Do I believe it will come, not for years. My car cannot even identify a speed limit sign, maybe version 10 will help on that. I doubt i…

Haven't they added some notable features for when you're charging your car, though? I rarely charge outside my garage, but the times I have used a Supercharger, there sure are a lot of people just sitting in their cars reading something on a tiny screen. I think this update is targeted towards them. Heck, the sound is so good IMHO that it might be the best place to watch certain movies, especially when the kids are trying to sleep!

ps: You have some pretty high standards for driver-assist technology. What did you drive before and what would you get if you had to choose today?

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by therealidiot »

aembleton wrote: post #447
kerkeslager wrote: post #355

I want a well-put-together electric car that's completely analog from the user's perspective . There's not a single user-facing digital feature I've ever seen on a car that I wanted, and in fact most of them make things worse. Obviously there's some non-user-facing stuff, i.e. all-wheel-drive, which computerization has revolutionized. But any user-facing stuff is just awful. I want an electric car, but I don't want t…

Don't you find a reversing camera useful? You can see much more than with your rear view mirror.

I find the latency of these things to be really bad, and the "wide-angle" view is never wide enough (and what is with all of the parking guide lines they draw that never seem correct?)

...but then most modern cars seem to have abysmal visibility through the back windows anyway. The rear view from a 20 year old Micra I often drive is excellent, much better than any of the more modern cars I have hired.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by kybernetikos »

xedeon wrote: post #506
kybernetikos wrote: post #442

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> Tesla is the opposite of Linux philosophy. It literally records and reports back to HQ. If you ever make any statement that Tesla doesn't like, they will use what should be your own data against you. Surveillance capitalism. Ownership as a service. They also restrict the repairability via software. It's as far from gnu as its possible to be.

> It literally records and reports back to HQ. If you ever make any statement that Tesla doesn't like, they will use what should be your own data against you. Wow. Take out the tinfoil hat Sir. I'll PayPal you $1000USD if you can cite this ridiculous claim. > They also restrict the repairability via software. You CAN perform repairs on them, you can even access the parts catalog ( https://epc.teslamotors.com ) for fr…

>> It literally records and reports back to HQ. If you ever make any statement that Tesla doesn't like, they will use what should be your own data against you.

> Wow. Take out the tinfoil hat Sir. I'll PayPal you $1000USD if you can cite this ridiculous claim.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/apr/03/the-custo...

https://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02/14/that-tesla-data-... about this ridiculously detailed releasing of data https://www.tesla.com/blog/most-peculiar-test-drive

https://electrek.co/2016/05/11/tesla-model-s-crashed-own-sum...

or Teslas own privacy policy, which says that they may remotely collect telematics data including speed, odmeter, battery charging, use of charging stations (linked to location), infotainment system data, camera images, short video clips, lock/unlock data, horn honking, etc. They also collect detailed position data in many cases, but say that they store it in a non identifiable way. While the policy doesn't specifically mention recording torque applied to the steering wheel, presumably they must include that somewhere, as they have announced to the press that the user didn't have their hands on the steering wheel. The policy also says that they "also may use information we collect for other purposes, including: For our business purposes", a vague and expansive definition. We've seen in the examples above what they consider this to include - disputing customers accounts of what happened if it makes Tesla look bad.

https://www.tesla.com/about/legal

I presume your offer of payment was hyperbole, but in my view, even if you disagree with the links I posted, I have certainly cited the claim. Email me@kybernetikos.com if you actually intend to back up your words.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by rainyMammoth »

xedeon wrote: post #376
clouddrover wrote: post #357

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> Maybe if MB, BMW or Audi leapfrogs Tesla in both charging infrastructure I think this is the wrong perspective. Daimler, BMW, Volkswagen, and others are investing in common charging infrastructure through joint ventures such as Ionity ( https://ionity.eu/en/about.html ). Ionity is available to all EVs that can charge via CCS (which includes Teslas). ICE cars can be fueled at any fuel station regardless of their mak…

If you're not aware, Tesla since the beginning has offered other legacy auto manufacturers unfettered access to the supercharger network if they agree to shoulder the cost. Not a SINGLE one took them up on the offer! https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/tesla-elon-musk-open-supe...

This is the same strawman as Apple with the open "Thunderbolt" specs.

They open it up and hope other people will adopt it with the goal of profiting Apple that still controls the specs.

In addition they can also claim that other players are bad players because they didn't use the "open" specs.

That's not how it should work. Other EV makers are doing this correctly with an open consortium. A single brand (Tesla) shouldn't dictate what standards to use.

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