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Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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One effective way to protest this would be to report videos by high-profile companies such as Microsoft, Amazon, and Google itself. Take a few minutes to look for a video about Azure or AWS or GCP, or a video of a presentation at a conference around such things, and report it as Inappropriate content citing the relevant terms of service. Be very careful only to report content that conforms to the above description —…

Here are some good candidates: https://www.youtube.com/user/AtGoogleTalks/search?query=secu...

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Emperor G built a beautiful walled city, inviting everyone in, encouraging them to paint their houses whatever color they like. A year later, Big G banned blue houses. If you didn't like the rules, you were more than welcome to build your house outside the city and paint it whatever color you like. Only most people don't leave - blue is just one color and they weren't very interested in it anyway. Besides, the city i…

Human race has a lot of intellectual growing up to do.

This is, in effect, the same Modus Operandi that resulted in the Opium Wars - addict a populace to "free" some thing and bankrupt them intellectually.

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I don't think this changes the idea that the slippery slope is a silly argument. Aren't we evaluating these things on their own terms now? It's definitely possible to have a YouTube that is harsh on calls to violence but allows cyber-security instructionals. We're not sliding down the slope just yet. We took a step too low and need to climb back up. edit: I should not have used "we" above, since only Alphabet control…

It is possible to have a Youtube like this. Its also possible to have a Youtube that allows porn, or a Youtube that exclusively hosts videos from large media companies because its too risky to allow random people to upload any of these things. All of these are possibilities. Some of them are more likely than others. But you want to know the least likely possibility? The one with chances so unrealistically impossible…

That's why I'm fine with the government staying out of it(free speech) and letting the rest of us squabble over and it figure it out ourselves. Users will pressure Youtube, Youtube will pressure users, platforms will come and go, and the pendulum will continue to swing.

Instead of "doomsdaying" over Youtube policy I need to change the strings on the world's smallest violent. It got quite the workout playing for Daily Stormer and Alex Jones..

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Sadly, this is the moment where the terms of service that do permit such work would have been precisely what we need to counter the direction of the entire post. I hope you or someone are able to discover it and cite it here. (I couldn’t manage to find the terms from my device, but that’s likely more my device’s fault than any. I’ll try again later if I remember, but it might be too late for today’s comment.)

Ok, here we go: In section 6.E. of the YouTube ToS ( https://m.youtube.com/static?template=terms ), they say you cannot submit content contrary to the Community Guidelines. On this page ( https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2801964?hl=en ) of the Community Guidelines they say you may not post “Instructional hacking and phishing [content]: Showing users how to bypass secure computer systems or steal user credent…

Indeed it does. I look forward to their response after the US Holiday tomorrow.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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One effective way to protest this would be to report videos by high-profile companies such as Microsoft, Amazon, and Google itself. Take a few minutes to look for a video about Azure or AWS or GCP, or a video of a presentation at a conference around such things, and report it as Inappropriate content citing the relevant terms of service. Be very careful only to report content that conforms to the above description —…

can you clarify which options to click on? I dont see a label that best fits this complaint. there are options like terrorism/child abuse/offensive content, etc.

I cannot, sorry.

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> I see the point you're trying to make but it's completely wrong. If it is, then it’s not for the reason you provided. If I made Knitter News, and somebody posted a thread about gardening, then nobody would comment on it or up vote it. If I went into a knitting thread, and started posted gardening comments, then they would be downvoted. It’s also not just copyright infringement protection, it protects against a broa…

> If I made Knitter News, and somebody posted a thread about gardening, then nobody would comment on it or up vote it. What if you posted about gardening every 5 minutes, every day, from morning till night and every thread about knitting is drowned out completely. I've run a forum, this happens all the time. > If I went into a knitting thread, and started posted gardening comments, then they would be downvoted. OH! S…

According to your analogy, YouTube is no different from a news paper. All they do is collect content and publish it. The content can be user generated, it can written by people who don’t work for the news paper, it can be written by journalists from other papers. All they’re doing is decided what is and is not published, right? When I read it for free on their website, there is also no transaction taking place.

So if I start a news paper, and begin to publish completely false and libellous information about people, I should be entitled to a common carrier immunity? All I did was decide what was published.

> Free expression online in any form would be impossible without it, even now.

Free expression would be protected by removing the Good Samaritan clause, it’s not a necessary element of the law.

> To say that the moment I put a blog online with comments that suddenly I have to host, with my own money, any comment that gets posted there is ludicrous.

That’s not what I’m saying at all. If you wanted to moderate them you could create a moderation queue. But otherwise what you are trying to do is act as a publisher, but you simply don’t want the liability associated with it.

> And yet there is literally nothing stopping you from posting a video to your own website

There’s nothing stopping me from making my own ISP and running it however I like. Yet we still cherish regulated net neutrality principles as being an essential element of a free internet.

You haven’t really made an effort to refute my underlying claims here, which are:

Section 203 protections are not consistent with any other form of common carrier protections.

The law is currently having the opposite of its intended effect at the time of legislation. It has simply allowed a very small number of companies to exert editorial control over most of the worlds internet traffic, without having to accept any of the liability that should have come attached to that.

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I'm glad you brought up the platform distinction because I've also been thinking about that one. I could deny Alex Jones a soapbox in my yard, because it has little value and there are plenty of others. If there are only two soap boxes in the world and I coordinate with the owner of the other box to silence somebody, then I have become functionally indistinguishable from the government for the purpose of free speech,…

Not even the government has to provide you with a soap box -- so being functionally indistinguishable from the government makes no difference. If you cannot find a platform, can't buy one, can't build one because nobody will work with you then tough shit. We talk about how developers shouldn't work on projects that are morally questionable but here you are suggesting that they must because a platform must be provided…

Well, the Soviet Constitution promised every comrade a printing press...

To speak to your market freedom point, imagine a community of racist business owners who all refused to sell to an outsider. If every business owner was equally racist, the outsider would be forced to leave, even if there was no law stating that they couldn't live in the neighborhood. Markets have an answer to this - any defector will make more money. However sometimes everybody stays racist and no defector emerges. The community is acting like a de-facto evil government even though there is no legal system supporting it nor any democracy legitimizing it.

I'm really not sure what to do when that happens. I'm as against forcing business to do business as you are.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Emperor G built a beautiful walled city, inviting everyone in, encouraging them to paint their houses whatever color they like. A year later, Big G banned blue houses. If you didn't like the rules, you were more than welcome to build your house outside the city and paint it whatever color you like. Only most people don't leave - blue is just one color and they weren't very interested in it anyway. Besides, the city i…

Let me retell your story from my perspective. Some random guys built a beautiful walled city inviting everyone in, encouraging them to paint their houses whatever color they like. Before the walled city, almost everyone was homeless, and the few people who had houses were rickety and constantly needed upkeep. (Before YouTube, most people couldn't do video sharing, and tech-savvy people could but it was more complicat…

>white supremacists

This obsession with "white supremacists" is a frankenstein leftists have been trying to create for as long as I can remember. It's like you believe your own belief system can't support itself without a manufactured boogie man. Since you're this obsessed with "white supremacists", as to bring it into a conversation about the dissemination of "hacking" information, why are you not trying to uncover reasons people might be swayed by such ideas? I mean if everyone secretly wants to become a "white supremacist" why not let them? Why is this so scary for you? Why are you so obsessed with this? I honestly would like to understand this fear of yours.

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> calls to violence Would you then agree that any communist leaning YouTube channel is by definition a "call to violence", since communist movements have resulted in deaths of 110 million people in 20th century? And therefore the channel must be shut down. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_communist_... No? Don't agree? Well now you see why slippery slope is not a silly argument.

Rejecting that 'definition' does not imply the truth of any slippery slope argument. I think it's easy to distinguish between communist leaning YouTube channels, and communist leaning YouTube channels that contain explicit calls to violence. A 'slippery slope' argument assumes the opposite: that once we accept that some content is prohibited, we cannot avoid the conclusion that all content is prohibitable by an arbit…

Youtube is banning racist videos with no explicit calls to violence. Communism has killed more people than racism. Maybe the truth does not matter though, people are just doing what they can to not get sued...
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