Live data from Hacker News

Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

theoutline.com

611–620 of 644 posts

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

#612

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note that I believe the water pouring trick does not apply to the Thinkpad Carbon X1. I killed a third gen X1 years ago from a water spill. Luckily Lenovo fixed it for $500.

According to the specs [1], the X1 Carbon Gen 3 does have a spill-resistant keyboard, and the current Gen 6 too. Given the compact design, maybe the liquid just couldn't escape from under the laptop in time, so it soaked the motherboard from below? [1] https://www.lenovo.com/au/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-x/X1-...

Yeah, it definitely wasn’t the keyboard that was the biggest issue, it was the motherboard. I guess a spill resistant keyboard is great, but if you don’t have a spill resistant motherboard...

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

#614
post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes it does.

What are the charger requirements? Mine doesn't charge with the 60W provided by my monitor.

Not too surprising I think. The charger is 135W

https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-x/Thi...

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

#615

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not only are Thinkpad keyboards the most comfortable and satisfying on the market, you can literally pour water on them and it will drain out the bottom of the laptop without ever touching internal components. After using my Thinkpad for about six months, I can't go back. The keyboard is amazing, build quality is rock solid, screen is 4k with 100% RGB, and you can actually upgrade the thing. I buy a laptop because I…

I want to like Thinkpads for their hardware quality, but I cannot get over Lenovo stuffing malware into their systems, even after they got caught. How can I be put at ease?

Just reinstall the OS

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

#616
post #607

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The touchbar is shit. It really is. Way to go making it impossible to (un)mute and adjust the volume without opening my eyes. And in exchange of what, really? The privilege of losing the physical Esc?

I thought the missing escape would be the thing that drove me nuts since I spend a reasonable chunk of my day in VI. Turns out, it is the damn siri button above the delete. Not quite sure how I keep hitting it.

Same here. After a few weeks I finally found out how to remove that button. Who wants to speak out loud to their laptop anyway?

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

#617
post #616
post #607

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought the missing escape would be the thing that drove me nuts since I spend a reasonable chunk of my day in VI. Turns out, it is the damn siri button above the delete. Not quite sure how I keep hitting it.

Same here. After a few weeks I finally found out how to remove that button. Who wants to speak out loud to their laptop anyway?

I would... if it did anything useful. “Hey Siri, mark a 2h task for Project X in Xero”. But it doesn’t do anything remotely like that, yet. Supposedly the next release will have Shortcuts, which should offer a bit more extensibility.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

#618
post #499

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is exactly why I went for a 2015 MBP instead of a newer one last year. Having a better keyboard and physical escape/function keys (plus the significantly lower price) outweighed the lack of USB C/Thunderbolt 3. This may have a shorter "tail", in terms of long term utility, but hopefully there'll be a MBP refresh at around that time. If that is still found wanting, I suppose I can join the Thinkpad+Linux club.

I did the same, for the same reason. It’s a joy to use and every time I read one of the (so many) articles on the MB butterfly keyboard, I am reminded that I made the right choice. The 2015 MBP really is the best Mac laptop - which if you want a Mac rather than a Linux box, the best laptop ever - https://marco.org/2017/11/14/best-laptop-ever

I also chose this route last June. My coworkers upgraded to the new rendition later and I've since listened to them complain about the keyboard and mess around with adapters in literally every meeting room. The hdmi port is incredibly useful, I've never had issues in any meeting room and it's inclusion means I never have to carry adapters around. Not so with my colleagues, they need one even just to share files with a thumb drive.

I hope someone at Apple comes to their senses and makes the next big refresh of the Pro turn it into a Pro computer again.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

#620
post #454

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That was IdeaPad, nothing to do with ThinkPad.

Good to know, thanks! Do both lines have completely different engineering and management leadership? That might put me at some ease.

The ThinkPad team is still Tokyo based https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Yamato_Facility the IdePad is from China.
Post reply on HN