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Re: James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google

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It was more about the timing. The memo came shortly after Trump was elected, when many women and minorities were feeling defeated. It was not the climate to try and hold reasoned debate.

In my experience the left was not capable of having reasoned debate even before the election. They prefer to shut it down.

On what topic?

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Honestly, this whole thing is just ugly. I read what he wrote. It was (mostly) ugly but contained a lot of truth. Before you downvote/call me a Nazi, I'm a mixed race woman in tech. I definitely see people hired just because of their minority status. I also see people hired who are minorities but also great at their job. It's not a binary pattern. But those who are hired just because they are a POC or female, yet are…

>Before you downvote/call me a Nazi, I'm a mixed race woman in tech. No offence but I think it's kind of harmful to everyone when you make arguments based on your race and gender.

The issue is that if that statement had not been included than OP would have been accused of being privileged and thus disqualified from having an opinion.

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I don't see any support for [2] in the page you linked (maybe because I am on mobile). There may have been efforts to recruit that were directed at women (e.g. sending employees to Grace Hopper), but ultimately the bar was the same for everyone.

It's at the bottom of the page. > Google is proud to be an equal opportunity workplace and is an affirmative action employer.

I see it now. I believe that's something every major US Corp that sells to the federal government has to say: https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandtools/tools-and-samples/hr-...

Re: James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google

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Honestly, this whole thing is just ugly. I read what he wrote. It was (mostly) ugly but contained a lot of truth. Before you downvote/call me a Nazi, I'm a mixed race woman in tech. I definitely see people hired just because of their minority status. I also see people hired who are minorities but also great at their job. It's not a binary pattern. But those who are hired just because they are a POC or female, yet are…

EDIT: Deleted this comment as it was downvoted for not agreeing with the hivemind.

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Okay, but running to Molyneux is instant confirmation of the things people thought about him. and actually yes, do some prep work and go on a show that will be hostile. Not crazy, but potentially hostile. Someone who will reject the ideas and force you to defend and/or clarify them.

Uhh, he had The Entire Internet doing that at him 24/7, why do you think there needs to be more?

I think he didn't do much to defend or clarify his arguments and instead took exactly the path his detractors (myself included) expected from the minute we read his "poor oppressed conservative" portion.

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> diversity of what exactly is the target? Life experience? Clearly not when every company recruits from the same 10 schools.

Surely you can agree that every student is an individual and just because they go to the same college does not mean they all have the same background?

No, but in-state tuition has to contribute significantly to where you go to college.

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Surely you can agree that every student is an individual and just because they go to the same college does not mean they all have the same background?

No, but in-state tuition has to contribute significantly to where you go to college.

Only if you go to a public, state school.

Otherwise, in-state tuition probably can't be a factor.

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Wait, Joe Rogan is considered a right wing youtuber? I listen to his show all the time and I'm a pretty big liberal and while he sometimes does the whole "everyone is sooooo PC now" thing, he also talks negatively about Trump, the GOP and right wing politics constantly. I also listened to the James Damore episode, and while I thought James did a good job of making his point and Joe did an AWESOME job of interviewing…

As I mentioned, I don't disparage "right wing". I actually enjoy Joe Rogans podcast, and also Dave Rubin and Jordan Peterson. All three of them are solidly classical liberal, which is probably right of center today (individualism vs. collectivism, equality of opportunity vs equality of outcome, etc). But AFAIK, damore never came to the young Turks, Chapo trap house, which are leftist podcasts. I could be wrong.

I doubt he got many invites.

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I hope he finds some right-wing outlet to hire him, because at this point it seems like he’s radioactive waste and no real company is going to hire him ever again.

Kind to have to be a right wing organization he is not working along side of women. You do have to think of everyone on your team including the women.

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It doesn't. At all. The issue is that it doesn't matter. Women might be less interested in tech, as in if you took 100 men and 100 women and measured their interest the men might be higher. That doesn't mean no women are interested in tech, or that those who are interested are less competent. I do think the idea of "less interested" is shallow and ignores every other explanation. For example, women are a majority in…

>The issue is that it doesn't matter. It does matter. As technology becomes more deeply embedded into our society the assumptions made by the people that designed that technology get amplified and hardened. Have you not heard the story about the soap-dispenser that wouldn't recognize black skin? It's a minor annoyance now, but it won't be when the technology is responsible for more critical stuff. https://mic.com/art…

> There are structural barriers that prevent women...

There is also a long history of "men are doctors, women are nurses".

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