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Re: Essential Phone, available now

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> Technology should be trustable, and a device where you cannot tell if or when the microphone and/or camera are recording and being remotely accessed is anything but. Yes. This means no Google services.

It doesn't. You can have hardware indicators.

They won't matter if you voluntarily send your data to Google services...

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Give me software updates for 7+ years, then we'll talk about buying your $700 phone. Lasting hardware means nothing without lasting software. In the meanwhile, I'll keep buying $120 phones (Moto G4 with Amazon Ads FTW) and keeping them for ~2 years until they break or software updates stop. Even though as a Catholic (Laudato Si, Rerum Novarum) it kills me to waste all those materials every couple of years and be part…

> Even though as a Catholic (Laudato Si, Rerum Novarum) it kills me to waste all those materials every couple of years and be part of the environmental degradation of our planet It's not your Catholicism that makes you feel bad for polluting, it's your humanity. If Pope Francis turned around and said there's no climate change and we should all have tyre bonfires for christmas, would you be on-board with that?

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Since no one else has, I'll take the piss out of this "hollier than thou" bullshit. > Devices are your personal property. We won’t force you to have anything you don’t want. Devices are your personal property. The SoC is still a proprietary trade secret, the baseband is still spying on you for the NSA, the GPU is still a closed blob piece of shit. No mainline driver support, bootloader is closed source, firmware is c…

> Devices shouldn’t become outdated every year. They should evolve with you.

Doesn't have a removable battery...so, how exactly is this going to last me any longer than anything else?

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I want an email client, talk, text, gps, music streaming app, dual sim, wifi, 4G Bluetooth, eBook/PDF, voice to text on an e-ink screen. Would settle for email client talk text and wifi on e-ink. Edit: forgot tracking cookies, telemetry, and an animated paperclip assistant thing

Err...have you tried Yotaphone? They are coming up with a second iteration. Someone will probably hack it to use the secondary e-ink display to show whatever you want.

Looked into it previously and it seemed a little clunky... Android 2.x-side out keyboard-2009 era design. I assumed that would be a PITA to text/type and read on with the limited screen real estate. Will check out v 2.0 thought, Thanks!

Over the last few years I've been trying to limit my smartphone usage to exclude everything but productivity and communication apps that are pretty much required for my employment, friends, family, sustainance etc. I think an e-ink only device would be a huge benefit in that regard.

Wonder if there's a market for a device that is essentially designed to be all work and no play?

As I try to avoid becoming anymore of a smartphone zombie('living in the matrix') all of you connivingly clever SF/SV tech bastards just come up with sneaky new ways to increase Session Engagement, Duration/CTR/Time on Page... I'm stuck in a never ending attention war;-)

I haven't gone to any nuclear options yet: flip phone, massager pigeons.

It's like I'm craving some parental authority, take all of my toys, no TV, no video games, no comic books, no desert.

Sure would like some type of: [You can either read quietly in my room, or you can go to bed!]-type of smartphone!

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Give me software updates for 7+ years, then we'll talk about buying your $700 phone. Lasting hardware means nothing without lasting software. In the meanwhile, I'll keep buying $120 phones (Moto G4 with Amazon Ads FTW) and keeping them for ~2 years until they break or software updates stop. Even though as a Catholic (Laudato Si, Rerum Novarum) it kills me to waste all those materials every couple of years and be part…

> Even though as a Catholic (Laudato Si, Rerum Novarum) it kills me to waste all those materials every couple of years and be part of the environmental degradation of our planet It's not your Catholicism that makes you feel bad for polluting, it's your humanity. If Pope Francis turned around and said there's no climate change and we should all have tyre bonfires for christmas, would you be on-board with that?

This. I'm not a Catholic (or follower of any religion) but I also try not to be wasteful with anything from food packaging to technology recycling.

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post #522

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I've got a Galaxy S3, an S4 couple first generation Moto Gs, a 2012 and a 2013 Nexus 7, a Note 2, I think? 2 Note 3s, and a One Plus One in various states of: loaned to cousins, used as house phones, backups in a drawer, backups in cars, or lying on my desk. They were all either broken, at yard sales, given to me my clients / contacts that don't want them, or were In general four things kill these devices: * Touchscr…

> * Flash burnout. Shitty flash chips don't last forever. I've binned almost every older phone than this crop because the flash memory dies. I have never experienced this before, what are the signs that the flash chip is going sour? Slow to load? Losing information? Is there anything you can do about it ?

Same as on a desktop: mysterious slowdowns everywhere.

My wife has a four-year-old Windows phone, the Nokia 1020, which is completely fine in all aspects other than suffering from this.

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Open ASIC IP cores and firmwares are a must-have. Without independently-verifiable silicon, there's no telling was is or isn't there.

Totally agree. My question is, how do you verify the fabs are trustworthy? Genuinely curious - I'm actually trying to answer this myself at the moment. The best I've come up with is, go to >2 fabs, have them deliver wafers but not saw them, scan and compare the wafers using trusted equipment, then take the wafers back to the fab for sawing. The last step is the biggest issue; you could be bait-and-switched. Sawing do…

It's much harder for the fab to backdoor things than any other stage, and it also takes time for them to prepare such an attack once they have your GDSII files. So it would show up as a manufacturing delay. For anything other than milspec this probably isn't worth worrying about at this time.

Also, I'm not 100% sure that two fabs would actually produce optically identical chips; would there be process differences?

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Since no one else has, I'll take the piss out of this "hollier than thou" bullshit. > Devices are your personal property. We won’t force you to have anything you don’t want. Devices are your personal property. The SoC is still a proprietary trade secret, the baseband is still spying on you for the NSA, the GPU is still a closed blob piece of shit. No mainline driver support, bootloader is closed source, firmware is c…

Open ASIC IP cores and firmwares are a must-have. Without independently-verifiable silicon, there's no telling was is or isn't there.

Financing this is the real problem. Open source software relies on volunteer labour and the small costs of donated hosting, hardware etc. Open source hardware does not have nearly enough demand to fund it and cannot protect its revenue stream from competitors.

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You want fixable and well designed, long software updates, and a good price? Buy an (old) iPhone. I've got a 5S -- still perfectly fast for what I use it for (email, youtube, brokerage account, general internet, some small games), and is getting OS updates and security patches until IOS11. It's $120 on eBay; a new screen can be had for $13, a new battery for $11. it's solidly designed and there's a gigantic field of…

Couldn't live with a 16GB phone(assuming based on price) but otherwise yes this does work. Also tend to get slower the more you update them which is annoying.

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post #530

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That doesn't seem to be a manufacturer issue though is it? In case of tablets, my partner is still using her iPad 2 and Netflix has a version of their app that still runs on that. The core software on her tablet, like the core software on my older phones that were given to family members still work fine. Its the 3rd party apps that seem to be abandoned by software developers. That's going to happen regardless of what…

I have an original ipad and netflix is pretty much the only thing that still works fine on that. You can't use it to browse the web anymore because web pages have gotten so heavy it runs out of memory trying to render them. The app store is also broken to the degree of being unusable, even if you could find apps. If it wasn't so locked down it would still make an excellent linux device, but as it stands it's basicall…

App developers are only a piece of this equation, though.

From (solo) developing an sms based app in 2017 there was little incentive to target an API level lower than 19 (KitKat), which provided a standard API for SMS.

The majority of devices support it so what's the incentive to support legacy software?

Now if there are breaking changes introduced to telephony in the future I'll probably maintain 4.4 support and add a check for API level. That isn't feasible for every app, though...

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