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Sikh here, thanks for supporting our eternal enemy without any acknowledgement on their problems, anglo-saxons will always be our post-classical enemy, we could have won the Anglo-Sikh wars if we weren't betrayed, and my grandmother didn't learn how to read because the literacy rate collapsed under colonial rule(From Ranjit Singhs empire), if Hari Singh was not betrayed by our last emperor we could have won. Duly not…
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As a resident of that very city, I thank you for not bringing your bigoted behind here. Stay away, please. Edit: okay, that was not a great thing for me to say. Sorry. I'm just fed up with the repeated vilification of a great American city by the buffoon-in-chief. Yes, violence in the city is a big problem, but it's hardly its defining characteristic. Edit 2: apology rescinded.
Yes, don't worry--I'll stay away from a city that has 250 property crimes and 80 violent crimes every day while those in power keep looking the other way to be politically correct. 15 humans lost their lives yesterday in shootings, 268 during January: http://crime.chicagotribune.com/chicago/shootings I suppose that'll end when Trump sends the Feds as he's promised on Twitter, though.
First, it's not a "ban". It's a temporary suspension until new vetting procedures are put in place. Second, it's not "Muslim". Muslims from all other countries (some of them pretty large, e.g. Indonesia and Pakistan), will experience no change in their ability to enter the US. Other than Iran (which imo shouldn't be on the list) we're bombing and droning all of those countries at the moment. It's insane to accept mil…
Democrats totally destabilized the Middle East? Alternative facts, alternative reality.
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I suspect the outrage has less to do with a rational analysis of polices and world events and more to do with virtue signaling and groupthink.
I'd respect some of these people (like SamA, and Zuckerberg, and others) much more if they were consistent in their views. These millionaires/billionaires who supported Sec. of State Clinton during her election, fully knowing the loss of Muslim life her actions caused abroad, now virtue signaling about Trump -- I just don't know how to take them seriously.
It's a little hypocritical to get outraged when the opposition does it and keep silent when your own party does the same thing.
Why do people call this a "Muslim ban", when most Muslims are unaffected by it? There are 200M Muslims in Indonesia who are unaffected, 180M Pakistani Muslims, 172M Indian Muslims, 150M Bangladeshi Muslims, 75M Nigerian Muslims, 75M Turkish Muslims, 73M Egyptian Muslims...all of these people are unaffected by this "Muslim ban"
OK, but they explicitly mentioned that non-Muslims from the target countries are exempt from the ban. What do you call that?
If Trump wanted a Muslim ban, why wouldn't he ban Indonesians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, etc?
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I think Mr. Altman is largely addressing tech CEOs here and urging them to make public statements. The actions you list are great for you and me, but he's mostly not really talking to us. Supporting quotations from the post (because evidence): "The tech community is powerful. Large tech companies in particular have enormous power and are held in high regard. We need to hear from the CEOs clearly and unequivocally" "A…
Brexit re-demonstrated that business interests are ultimately secondary to politics, populist politics especially.
(In other words, you get what you vote for.)
I voted for Trump, and am very happy with the ban- I don't see the benefit of bringing in Muslim refugees.
I like to see this opposing voice here. Discussion is good. Please though, don't use a throwaway: it makes me think you're a government person or bot.
I cannot count the number of times I hear supposedly tolerant people yell "Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences." Where the consequences is usually violence. But thats OK, because it is not the government doing the violence.
Being coy about being a Trump supporter is a necessary precaution.
It makes me sad that politics has made its way to the top of HN. I'm relatively new here. One of the things I love about the community is that it has been something of an oasis over the past few months. This is in no way intended to denigrate the esteemed author or his thesis. I'm just disappointed that we're at this point.
I mean.... Stay out of the political posts? The tech stuff seems unaffected by this. One thing I love about this community is that, even on divisive political issues, I usually see excellent discussion and points, specifically by people who disagree with me. I want HN debating politics* because of how HN debates. * But yeah, as long as it stays to DEFINITELY political posts. Only politics I want in my tech is languag…
That only works because HN mostly isn't about politics. There must be a name for this paradox.
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Democrats totally destabilized the Middle East? Alternative facts, alternative reality.
Both parties have had a _significant_ hand in it, dating back to GHWB and Clinton. Don't you forgot that either, lest we remember Obama as anything other than a President who liked droning brown people.
Let's say that Obama killed 5k people with drones. This is a large overestimation, but let's compare.
GWB killed over half a million Iraqis for no reason, and counting. He's indirectly responsible for the rise of ISIS in a way that no other President or SoS is.
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The most effective action tech companies can take is to pour rivers of money into immigrant advocacy and legal aid organizations, and to make sure their CEOs speak out loudly, right now. Banners don't matter. Net neutrality mattered in October, doesn't really matter now. Get your head straight.
I am not sure that legal aid/advocacy will help those affected here. The President has wide latitude to make immigration decisions. Love it or hate it, the new policy is what it is and the courts are likely not in a legal position to be able to overturn or make an end-run around it, regardless of how compelling the argument in a given case is. Encouraging new and timely legislation is much more likely to be effective…
1) You don't have the right to counsel in immigration hearings. There are several organizations that provide free legal aid.
2) Immigrant communities are scared and need to know their rights, and have a trusted source of information. There are unfortunately a ton of scammers who prey on scared people.
3) These organizations are a helpful intermediary between vulnerable people and government agencies, police, etc.