All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware • Hacker News Board

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by thesimon » Thu, Oct 20, 2016, 3:02 PM UTC

icebraining wrote: post #562

joaonunesk wrote: post #507

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The problem is that most of the established car companies are not thinking in the future. They become accommodate with the amount of cash they have on the hand, and they do not pursue innovation. Currently, Tesla is the only one who is delivering practical innovation and success!

Car companies have been developing this technology for longer than Tesla has even existed. Here's Mercedes in 2014: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_RFzC_G5BA

But their current technology is not called "autopilot" so they are clearly way behind!1

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by gambiting » Thu, Oct 20, 2016, 3:02 PM UTC

pyb wrote: post #540

jgrahamc wrote: post #494

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I'd like to see a self-driving car navigate London's narrow streets with cars both sides and the negotiation that goes on between drivers about who goes first. I'm impressed with this self-driving on California's spacious streets in perfect weather. I'll be really impressed when I see a self-driving car go down a London street in pouring rain, realize it needs to allow someone to come from the other direction and rev…

I'd also like to see it navigate single track lanes in the English countryside.

I've been driving on a track like this few weeks ago, where grass and branches were sticking out on the road, any the collision prevention assist on my car was freaking out, because it was sensing an immediate collision from all of its sensors. Not to mention that there was nowhere for two vehicle to pass, if I met someone else either I or him would have to reverse a significant distance.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by georgespencer » Thu, Oct 20, 2016, 3:03 PM UTC

dyarosla wrote: post #576

georgespencer wrote: post #543

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These are problems which are actually improved as more cars move to autonomous driving. A sensible government would mandate that manufacturers must upload anonymised data about each car in real time, which would effectively allow for cross-talk between cars. This could enable automatic remedies to the above situations (car X tells car Y "I've got more room behind me, let me reverse), but also prevent them in the firs…

I see this pro cross-talk argument all the time... but wouldn't that leave open a big vulnerability for bad actors to send false data between cars and, if they should choose to, control multiple vehicles and cause collisions?

> I see this pro online banking argument all the time... but wouldn't that leave open a big vulnerability for bad actors to steal data and, if they should choose to, control multiple bank accounts and cause fraud?

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by JulianMorrison » Thu, Oct 20, 2016, 3:03 PM UTC

V-2 wrote: post #509

scraft wrote: post #475

Interesting for two reasons: 1. It is a self driving car, it is so clearly the future, I wish it existed now, it is going to be awesome (in my opinion). 2. Despite knowing about and following news about driverless cars for a while, there was something surprisingly (to me) compelling about watching the video. It's like you get a little taste of the full A to B that it can give you (door to door). Who wants to speculat…

"Common" as in you that you get to see some every day and people don't bat an eyelid anymore? Or "common" as in being the majority of vehicles. My bet on the first one would be like 10-15 years, the other - 30+.

It's going to be slow until it happens in a rush, I think. There will be a tipping point where enough cars are self driving that it stops being a geeky add-on and starts being seen as a moral necessity. Roughly at the point where government statistics of manual versus self driving motor accident rates gain enough data to be comparable.

There will be a huge public to-and-fro about negligence versus freedom, with driving manual being the new driving drunk, but the insurance premiums will settle it.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by freehunter » Thu, Oct 20, 2016, 3:03 PM UTC

randomdata wrote: post #572

scraft wrote: post #475

Interesting for two reasons: 1. It is a self driving car, it is so clearly the future, I wish it existed now, it is going to be awesome (in my opinion). 2. Despite knowing about and following news about driverless cars for a while, there was something surprisingly (to me) compelling about watching the video. It's like you get a little taste of the full A to B that it can give you (door to door). Who wants to speculat…

> Who wants to speculate how long it will be until self-driving cars are common place in the UK? I think we can apply the Pareto principle here. The car seems to work surprisingly well in ideal conditions, but probably doesn't in less than ideal ones (let's see it operating in a snow storm!). So, let's say that 80% of the work is done, leaving 20% to fix all the little edge cases that are bound to pop in the real wor…

My corollary to the Pareto principle: it's only applicable in 20% of cases, and even then it's only 80% applicable.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by neogodless » Thu, Oct 20, 2016, 3:03 PM UTC

drzaiusapelord wrote: post #571

S_A_P wrote: post #537

So what do these cars do when the hit a puddle of mud and it covers all the cameras. Will there be a new form of vandalism where someone puts scotch tape over/destroys the vehicles cameras and now your fancy autonomous vehicle is rendered incapacitated. Maybe this seems unlikely or ridiculous, but the dependence on cameras at points on the car that seem likely to get dirty and or damaged seems to be a risk to me.

Or whats the maintenance schedule for these things? Suddenly we have tons of complexity to worry about. How will this affect the used market where repairs are usually DIY? Is the used market for autonomous cars pretty much dead because 3rd party mechanics will have no idea how to service these things? I imagine so. What does that do to resale value? I've read about how hard it is to sell an aging Prius because the ba…

This has been a "potential problem" lobbied against advances in car technology since... the beginning of car technology. Obviously you need different (and many could argue "more difficult to learn") skills compared to mechanical repair. But that's always been the direction car repair has headed, from the beginning.

Ideally, there's a fair amount of (reliable) self-diagnosis. If you merely have to replace a camera that starts to malfunction, it might not be any more difficult than replacing a starter or an alternator (depending on construction.)

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by aerovistae » Thu, Oct 20, 2016, 3:03 PM UTC

hipshaker wrote: post #570

Isn't this hackernews?? So many "but what if this and that and this..." & "and yeah let's see if it can handle X & Y" This is the iPhone 1 of self-driving cars! That's akin to saying Apple should have waited to release their phone until iPhone 7 "because of this & that & this..." Don't we have to start somewhere ?? Aren't there supposed to be a big user base here who understands that it's an evolutionary process - we…

I laughed out loud when I googled "tsla" after watching the video and the top headline in the news section of the google results was "Analyst doubts the new move by Tesla Motors."

Clicking on the article for humor's value, I continued to read:

> However, Edmunds.com, Inc. analyst Jessica Caldwell questions the value of purchasing a self-driving car before regulations catch up. Caldwell said that, meanwhile, competitors could introduce better solutions, potentially making Tesla’s hardware “obsolete almost as soon as it’s activated for prime time.”

It's just hilarious the contortions of logic people will go to in order to put Musk down.

Having the equipment ready and in action first is somehow a disadvantage by this argument, and now you're better off being later to market.

These same people have written that Tesla will be left in the dust as its competitors beat it to the market because it can't keep up with their manufacturing, and thus being first to market is only an advantage if you're not Tesla.

You can't win.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by jobigoud » Thu, Oct 20, 2016, 3:04 PM UTC

rsync wrote: post #551

scraft wrote: post #475

Interesting for two reasons: 1. It is a self driving car, it is so clearly the future, I wish it existed now, it is going to be awesome (in my opinion). 2. Despite knowing about and following news about driverless cars for a while, there was something surprisingly (to me) compelling about watching the video. It's like you get a little taste of the full A to B that it can give you (door to door). Who wants to speculat…

"It is a self driving car, it is so clearly the future, I wish it existed now, it is going to be awesome (in my opinion)." Even now, several years into the current news/development arc of self-driving cars, I still can't believe this is going to be the future. We're really never going to european (or japanese) style train networks ? We're really going to keep binging on roads ? We, as a nation of fat slobs [1] are re…

I will feel safer bicyling in LA when cars and trucks are self-driving though.

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Post by hazelnut » Thu, Oct 20, 2016, 3:04 PM UTC

spIrr wrote: post #533

From 00:50 to 01:10, why is the car driving in the left lane, when the right lane is clearly not turning? It's strange to see this behaviour as someone living in Germany, where you are supposed to, by default, drive in the right lane if you are not overtaking another car or there is a traffic jam... EDIT: also, did it turn into the wrong lane at 2:25-2:30? is this a security risk?

German living in the US here: This does only apply for highways / interstates - not for city streets which seems to be the case here.

Side note: People are not very strict about that rule here and nobody cares. Mainly because you're allowed to overtake other cars on both sides - not just only on the left. Isn't that dangerous? Yes, but there's everywhere a speed limit of around 65mph (104kmh) which makes overtaking other cars much easier / safer.

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Post by SOLAR_FIELDS » Thu, Oct 20, 2016, 3:04 PM UTC

hacker_9 wrote: post #568

marricks wrote: post #514

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I don't think it's really fair to put it as dire as that, humans have more deaths, with similar miles, under their belts. Many people are starting to realize that's the real test, especially those likely to be model S/≡/X customers. Real consumer and public education on the nature of the problem is necessary though, especially if we want a safer self driving world.

True but humans are a known quantity. For the first time, we are letting 'something else' drive that thinks completely different to us, yet we are entrusting our lives to it. Because of our incredible image processing ability we can deal with a lot of shit that we may come across while driving. But the computer still has a lot of catching up to do in this department. Do you really want your life to end because an AI…

It's no less unnerving than going on a plane mostly piloted by computers that rockets through the sky at several hundred miles an hour. There will always be people that fear the loss of control but most people will realize that the convenience is worth giving such a thing up considering that once this technology is perfected you will ideally have a greater chance of getting struck by lightning than dying in a car accident.