If AI was a productivity boon: wouldn't a company employ the same or more employees to capture more market share at a competitive edge. Shedding employees because they are more efficient seems like shooting yourself in the foot to try and stand in the same spot in a race. AI should have caused a job market boon: because less skilled employees would have been more hirable/useful. That this is not the case leads me to…
Zuckerberg says AI agent development going slower than expected
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#602If AI was a productivity boon: wouldn't a company employ the same or more employees to capture more market share at a competitive edge. Shedding employees because they are more efficient seems like shooting yourself in the foot to try and stand in the same spot in a race. AI should have caused a job market boon: because less skilled employees would have been more hirable/useful. That this is not the case leads me to…
Myopia. This technology isn't even a decade old. It hasn't even been really useful until the last 3 years or so. Why would you expect it to be transformative already? "Internet is just a fancy fax machine" stuff.
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> that I explicitly told it Try writing it in first person instead of second person or neutral. A while ago someone had a similar complaint on here and shared some example lines, and that popped out at me immediately. However much structure we've wrapped these in, they're still text generators trained on all sorts of things, and if you think about a narrative where first and second person speech would be used, try to…
Do you have a link to the previous comment?
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what does "runs" actually mean? zoom calls from his private Hawai island to a bunch of buddies other C-level execs?
It means he has a controlling share over the money and all the power. This thread is bizarre. He can run the day to day string pulling however he wants, he is literally the one with all the power.
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Do I write all my code with an agent now? Yes. Can you just give an agent a desired outcome and let it work, unsupervised? Absolutely not. I strongly suspect that developers moving from writing code to managing agents to write code for them is very similar to developers moving into leadership and management roles and managing ICs to write code for them. Some devs just 'get it' and thrive, leading a team really well a…
I disagree with your 2nd assertion. Even engineers who are less tech lead style engineers, can gain a significant boost in productivity by being able to quickly run through POCs and build an understanding of surrounding areas of their work, so they are able to contribute more. For eg I am able to make React changes much faster and the changes are higher quality, given frontend dev has never been my job role. I’m able…
It seems that I don’t like coding when I read these kinds of statements. If I’m doing an experimentation, it would be a few lines at most. Because that’s all I needed before I can write a solution.
Writing code is the last tool to design with. Thinking and a bit of sketching is what I do mostly. Then I verify small bits with code (mostly for checking a library when the documentation is lacking or a stub when I’m focusing on another part). Otherwise, it’s just enough code to get it working well and refactoring when the requirements changes.
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> Lines of code are a liability, not an asset. I have been saying this for years, I once had a heated argument about a small system of maybe 1000 lines of code that was technically superior and more scalable but was freaking 1000 lines of code to maintain compared to the quick and dirty 10 lines of code it was suppose to abstract and make generic (for future use of course). That with also countless debates over insig…
I don’t think this is a great argument for such a small amount of LoC. 1000 lines depending on the service it provides could be very small.
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It means he has a controlling share over the money and all the power. This thread is bizarre. He can run the day to day string pulling however he wants, he is literally the one with all the power.
Is it bizarre? Or is it you surrealist line of thinking here? What's your angle here? Man with power and money == A cornerstone knowledge base if you want know anything about AI? Wtf.
Y’all are delusional.
If you think they’re idiots, go start your own companies and eat their lunch. They got rich by eating someone else’s lunch, after all.
Right now, it is their game to lose.
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>I was worried this time last year that by this time this year, companies would have slashed their engineering teams down to a handful and everything would be driven by mostly autonomous agents with human guidance. But it just hasn't happened. I find this somewhat puzzling. I thought things were moving quickly, but at this time last year I couldn't even get Claude (using Cursor) to spin me up a service skeleton that…
> at this time last year I couldn't even get Claude (using Cursor) to spin me up a service skeleton that would compile, let alone do anything meaningful I've been using it to do this for 2 years now. And many people with me. The change you mention is one of is primarily one of Overton windows, of vibes.
I suspect this may have depended on the specific framework. I quite literally could not get Claude (in Cursor) to give me a basic Micronaut setup in a fresh workspace with essentially a "hello, world" API. I would guess that if you're using something like Python and FastAPI, it might have been an easier task or better represented in the data.
The difference that I observed in the Opus 4.5 era is that Claude could take a service framework it has never seen before (proprietary corp) and figure it out.
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I think that coding reviews are no longer feasible as they used to. The pace and expectations have increased and a human can barely cope with reviewing its own code, let alone colleagues'. They are not going to disappear in critical aspects of a codebase, nor shouldn't, but the industry will eventually reward self sufficient individuals able to keep the pace, harness and run adversarial reviews against the design and…
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You're definitely out of the line with such language.
And naive.
Your biggest error is thinking that:
1. there's quality software out there. It's definitely far from the industry standard, even in high budget big techs, far from it
2. that people opening the wallet care about software quality. good has been always better than perfect
3. that the average PR review has significant impact on code quality, clearly false by point 1.
4. that proper AI usage for doing adversarial reviews of plans and implementations won't catch by far more issues than the average pr out there nit picking coding styles but not even bothering to test the feature/branch
Thus I stand to my opinion. Quality PRs are too expensive nowadays and the engineers that will thrive will be the already great ones that will be enhanced by the tool, not companies shelling money on reviewing the average garbage MIT-bred leetcode blackbelt is slopping.
They will only involve core/critical code and libraries.