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Norway imposes near ban on AI in elementary school

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Post by KPGv2 »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #350
KPGv2 wrote: post #349

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> I'd ban all technology in the classroom. What works is chalkboard and chalk, pencil and paper. You've prohibited technology and then listed four technologies. "Technology" needs a more concrete definition. Calculators? Computers? TVs? Overhead projectors? Musical instruments?

This is nitpicking And sure, kids 6-13 don't need calculators, basic stuff, like multiplication tables is memorized.

I don't think it's nitpicking. I think it goes to the heart of the issue: people saying "stuff I didn't use when I was a kid is BAD." The term "technology" is just being used as a veil to hide the lack of reasoning.

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Post by stevenhuang »

runarberg wrote: post #368
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I agree with the last part, however I disagree with the others. To learn something you can't just watch or just read, I personally try to do both, first watch to get a basic grasp, then read to get some of the finer details. It stimulates a bigger area of my brain and lets me remember it faster. AI comes in as a helper to this cycle, creating me a study plan letting me know what to focus on, finding me videos on the…

How exactly is AI better at coming up with a study plan then you? How exactly does AI provide a better structure then your textbook? Better at finding resources then your friends, studdy-buddies, random strangers on reddit, etc. That last part I actually know from experience. A couple of months ago I tried to use Qwen AI to help me study Japanese for exactly one week, my prompt specifically asked to link to sources w…

Ok so you are using an llm without web search, ask it to give you links, and are confused why the links are hallucinated... ?

At this point it's just PEBKAC. You're holding it wrong brother.

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Post by ApolloFortyNine »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #399
wieiw wrote: post #261

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lol people like this guy prove AI psychosis is legit. If you can’t figure out what the value add of a human teacher is then.. fkin lmao. It’s well beyond simply transmission of information. The best teachers have passion - that passion is infectious. I was lucky enough to experience that and it grew my curiosity. LLM’s provide no such equivalent.

> best teachers have passion Not everyone has the “best teachers.” And passion is undefined. This is not a real argument.

The calculus teacher I had had a 4.7 ap test average (it's a test score 1-5).

My physics teacher had a 2.2.

But even still, these teachers have 20+ students. If you struggle with a topic it can pay dividends to have it explained for you.

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Post by nunez »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #219
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Banning it in classrooms isn't going to fix things, not when adults are broadcasting to students that (in the actual words of Sam Altman) "intelligence will be too cheap to meter", that (in the words of Darius Amodei) half of white collar jobs will be gone by the time these students graduate school, and so on. If intelligence is too cheap to meter, mental labor is a losing proposition. We've also spent decades emphas…

it'll start to raise the question of not only is college not worth it, but why should we even have compulsory education through high school? (just think of all the money we could save aka spend on the military instead)

rising tides lift all boats

school wasn't compulsory for most of human history. private schooling was the norm, and private school, like now, was very expensive. as a result, most people worked physical jobs and gained limited skills beyond this.

the idea of public school where everyone had a fair shot of developing skills for knowledge work was an extremely progressive concept in the beginning. what you're asking is the impact of undoing this. many states are essentially trying this through private school vouchers funded by public school dollars.

i think is a very unfortunate regression; unfortunately, it takes a generation of change for impacts to realize.

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Post by mattnewton »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #569
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maybe do not give your kids self-controlled access to devices with internet access? Of course that isolates them from their peers who have less caring parents that give them access.

Cool. A non-viable solution, We'll keep encroaching on privacy. Have it your way.

The goal is to encroach on privacy, and those interests are using the children able to do it. There is no “solution” to the children using the internet anonymously problem that will satisfy them. We have to keep fighting for privacy.

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Post by llbbdd »

platevoltage wrote: post #178
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imagine still thinking we are at the top. The empire is crumbling.

Check in in 20 years. The gap between the US and whoever is in second place is enormous. I don't spend enough time on Reddit to think it's close or declining.

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Post by lotsofpulp »

ifwinterco wrote: post #591
lotsofpulp wrote: post #529

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> How can you write sufficiently fast in an English or History exam (where you have to write a whole essay in limited time) if you're writing one letter at a time like a 6 year old? You use an ipad and keyboard or some other similar device. The only times in my life I have had to use cursive were in elementary school, pretty useless skill to have in this day and age.

iPads in exams? This just gets stranger and stranger

Just a tool to type with, it can be locked to prevent internet access or any other app.

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Post by lelanthran »

bendriv wrote: post #595
lelanthran wrote: post #445

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> ChatGPT and the like has frequently been used in the classroom to help with the cold start problem when doing writing assignments, and for getting feedback on written work before handing in to the teachers. Also frequently used as a brainstorming tool or for writing whole speaches or presentations that should be held in front of the class or school. Aren't those things critical thinking? We do we want to prevent th…

What things do you mean represent critical thinking?

The cold start problem in creating a piece of content requires executive decision-making (planning, design, selection). That's a critical-thinking type of skill (examine existing options, determine relevancy, determine good arguments from bad, etc).

Reviewing your own work requires critical thinking, almost by definition!

Brain-storming likewise requires some elements of critical thinking.

Writing entire speeches and presentations is almost all critical thinking, as it covers the gamut from planning all the way to implementation and execution.

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Post by froggit »

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I'm honestly jealous of the kids. When I was 13 I was looking at books in the school library from the late 70s and early 80s about astronomy. They had beautiful shots from Voyager 1 and 2 and lots of illustrations but ultimately there was very little math in there and not too much hard science besides some basic statistics. I would have loved to have a conversation with those books.

Hallucinations aren't going anywhere. So you're having a conversation with a stochastic parrot that occasionally says something completely wrong but completely viable and in a highly compelling fashion. The net outcome there is going to be highly negative.

> The net outcome there is going to be highly negative.

Agreed. With the way LLMs often are quite artuculate and confident sounding, it's only a matter of time until kids will be suspicious of actual people that are articulate and confident from putting effort into improving their speech and speaking about things they are right to be confident about due to being proficient in the subject.

Either that or kids will see that LLMs aren't "getting punished" for being "convincing liars" and will grow up convincing the socially correct way to interact with others is by speaking to them respectfully while going all in on long-game gaslighting.

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Post by froggit »

fouc wrote: post #517
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> Generative AI is not going to help them with those skills. I think it's more complex than this. AI is both the best technology ever invented for avoiding learning, and the best technology ever invented for learning. The cat is out of the bag. If teachers are asking for take-home essay assignments in 2026 then students are going to use AI and learn nothing. "AI detectors" are nowhere near reliable enough to be fair;…

> take-home essay assignments Typically there's not a whole lot of homework prior to Grade 7 anyways. Homework levels between elementary school and start of junior might look something like this: Division I / early elementary - no formal assignments should be made, though 5–10 minutes of systematic study or reading was recommended. Division II / upper elementary - formal homework could be assigned at the teacher’s di…

I remember that whole "expect 30 to 60 min a night" nonsense. I always assumed that was a scare tactic or something. I mean, in high school i was awake until around 4 am playing games every night so I'd wind up using half of each school day compensating with well-timed napping. Even then, the only homework i had to actually take home was the stuff meant to be turned in a few weeks later like tests and projects. Sure, we had daily "homework" assigned; there was also more than enough time during lectures to finish it. The only students that i really ever saw complain about having tons of homework were the ones that didn't put any effort into learning stuff at school to begin with.
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