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GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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What do you mean when you say "not private"? Are you accusing the company of sending private data to their servers, as Google and Apple do? Freedom of computing on Librem 5 doesn't end with the root account. It also allows to natively run any desktop software and develop it in any language, without reliance on Google's decision on how one must use the phone, how your OS must evolve and when you may get your updates.…

Maintaining one's data as private requires that it is protected as a baseline. Privacy violations do not solely exist as telemetry or data offered up by the platform to some other party. The protection is achieved through security. The major goal of something like GrapheneOS is privacy, which needs solid security as a prerequisite. The blobs, while proprietary, are not opaque. They are able to be examined and they ar…

> Maintaining one's data as private requires that it is protected as a baseline.

So you're conflating privacy with security, as I expected. These are separate matters, although I agree that privacy can't exist without security. And security can be achieved by different means, e.g., by choosing what to run. You can't force your threat model and security approach on everyone and claim that everybody who disagrees with you is insecure let alone has no privacy without good evidence.

> The security of a device should not be dependent on what you choose to run on it.

Why not? What's wrong with it? This is more or less how most desktops work.

> You should trust and be able to verify that the platform on which you are running the software prevents something malicious from accessing data which doesn't belong to it or otherwise violates the rules set by the platform (OS).

This is a big ask, and I doubt that many OSes can provide you such guarantee reliably. I would only trust Qubes OS with that, since it relies on strong, hardware-assisted virtualization and not purely on code correctness (my daily driver on desktop). I guess, regular CVEs confirm my opinion. On Qubes, the VM escape doesn't really happen.

> Thinking that you are secure because you only run "trusted" software on an insecure platform is cope.

This is exactly how security in a typical Linux server works, isn't? This is also similar to security through compartmentalization, when you isolate untrusted software from trusted environments.

I would even go as far as suggesting you to follow my approach at least partially, since installing and using any untrusted app on you GrapheneOS can destroy your privacy as long as the app has the internet access and can send tracking information about you to anyone.

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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> GrapheneOS recommendation to this was to have fewer apps Sounds reasonable. People tend to install way too many apps on their phones and than blame the phone about short battery life or too many notifications.

Having many apps will not affect battery life on Android in any meaningful way. Actively using them will. Apps can't just sit there and run in background, unless you explicitly gave them that permission. Android also takes permissions away from apps after they haven't been used in a while anyway. So most of the battery consumption will be from the apps that you actively need and use. Android's battery usage screen ba…

I don't trust the battery usage screen. When I debloated my phone, battery life increased from 1,5 days to 5 days and those were all apps I don't use.

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Not everything needs to be "production ready". And giving out root willy-nilly is freedom. It's my device, I should get to decide how I want to use it and not have artificial restrictions put on my be by someone else. If I want to rm -rf /, I should be able to do just that.

You can, but maybe don't make it an easy to accidentally invoke default. Like even `rm` added a flag to not do that without explicitly asking. Also, there are plenty of immutable OSs now among Linux distros, are they also limiting your freedom?

>there are plenty of immutable OSs now among Linux distros, are they also limiting your freedom?

By definition they very much can. For example SteamOS wipes all non system application (except flatpaks) on updates unless you disable read only mode.

I use and enjoy GrapheneOS but there is no question that the security comes with the trade off of freedom.

It's up to the user to decide if they prioritize one over the other for there use cases. I take GrapheneOS for mobile because of it's security and GNU/Linux on desktop for its freedom.

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2026/06/Android-17...

> With deep integration between hardware, software and AI, we’re transforming Android from an operating system to an intelligence system.

I didn't see any comments on the "ai" features. Are they coming along to GOS or AOSP or staying out and how does that affect Graphene in particular?

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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That's exactpy why I get Google Pixel phones. Support expires? Upgrade to custom ROM Ads? Upgrade to custom ROM Want to use it as server? Upgrade to custom ROM. If I would use Apple iPhone, these old phones would be trash very soon.

The iPhone 11 was released almost 7 years ago and is still supported by the latest iOS. For context, that would put it at the same release as Pixel 3 or Pixel 4. Those devices stopped receiving updates in 2022-2023.

That is not relevant for pixels at and above 7.they all have guaranteed 7 years of security updates, which is longer than iphones 5 years.

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2026/06/Android-17... > With deep integration between hardware, software and AI, we’re transforming Android from an operating system to an intelligence system. I didn't see any comments on the "ai" features. Are they coming along to GOS or AOSP or staying out and how does that affect Graphene in particular?

No, the Ai features come from Google apps and services that you can manually install. Grapheneos doesn't ship with any Google services.

That change doesn't negatively affect your privacy it's simply a feature that apps can take advantage of in order to have ai be useful. Similar to the share feature where you can send links or files to other apps.

Of course on many operating systems it's not optional because they add ai as system apps, but gos does not do that.

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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If you want to try it out, you can easily buy an 8a for like 250 euros used. 128GB is certainly good enough, unless you plan on migrating your mp3 library to it or you take a lot of videos. My only qualms is the lack of SD card, for the aforementioned mp3s. And trust me you'll like it ;)

299CHF for pixel 9a NEW in my local electronics webstore - the only difference between this and 10a is increased level of flatness of newer one..z

That's 325 euros, and here the cheapest you can find it is 350. which is is almost 50% more. Whatever floats your boat !

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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I run Strava on my Pixel 10 Pro Fold running GrapheneOS. IIRC you need to have Google Play Store installed (with zero permissions, preferably) to make Strava work.

Both Google Play Store and Google Play Services are installed, with minimal permissions. Strava still does not work.

You have to give it more permissions. You shouldn't blame GrapheneOS for an app not working when Grapheneos simply gives you more control than stock and you are taking advantage of it.

Of course many apps work fine with turning of more permissions that GrapheneOS allows.

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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You can, but maybe don't make it an easy to accidentally invoke default. Like even `rm` added a flag to not do that without explicitly asking. Also, there are plenty of immutable OSs now among Linux distros, are they also limiting your freedom?

>there are plenty of immutable OSs now among Linux distros, are they also limiting your freedom? By definition they very much can. For example SteamOS wipes all non system application (except flatpaks) on updates unless you disable read only mode. I use and enjoy GrapheneOS but there is no question that the security comes with the trade off of freedom. It's up to the user to decide if they prioritize one over the oth…

What about Fedora?

Good security is about allowing everything you might want to do, but limiting what you don't want happening. Of course it's easier to just put up our hands and don't care about it, but I think we should strive for better security as we are no longer running 3 hand-started processes in a terminal, but 10s of thousands of unknown ones. Even if the processes themselves are trusted, they can easily have vulnerabilities that paired with malicious data can cause real harm. We are just lucky that desktop linux is not a popular target.

Also, I don't think a dead man’s switch on a lawn mower has reasonably limited anyone’s freedom, but it probably saved a few arms and legs.

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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What about banking Apps? No problem there? Some of them have ridiculous secur... compliance rules.

> What about banking Apps? No problem there? Most banking apps work, but Google Pay/NFC payments won't work.

If your bank doesn't have its own payment app, but PayPal Card is available in your country, I got this setup to work on Graphene by installing PayPal into the Secure Folder, install the sandboxed Play Services there (required) and setup the mobile payments in the app. It's not a great solution, but for I keep it around for emergencies.
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