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Re: Search engines alternatives now that Google isn't Google anymore

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All in all we're human and while I know this comment was against the guidelines leaving the parent unchallenged would do worse.

I appreciate your point though.

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Don't berate people on HN. We're here for curious conversation, not battle. Please take a moment to re-read the guidelines, and particularly note these ones: Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes. Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. "That is id…

I note the rule reminder, but I very respectfully raise one hell of an eyebrow at the implication that discussions about ranking the significance of dead children by skin colour ought to be conducted curiously, dispassionately and substantively.

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Don't berate people on HN. We're here for curious conversation, not battle. Please take a moment to re-read the guidelines, and particularly note these ones: Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes. Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. "That is id…

I note the rule reminder, but I very respectfully raise one hell of an eyebrow at the implication that discussions about ranking the significance of dead children by skin colour ought to be conducted curiously, dispassionately and substantively.

This isn’t difficult. HN has existed for nearly two decades and the guidelines have been constant for almost all of that time. Those guidelines apply no matter the topic and there is a very important reason why this line is so close to the top:

Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive.

If the topic is one that you’re unable to discuss without being inflammatory and belligerent, it’s not a topic you should be discussing on HN.

Being belligerent towards other commenters on a tech-focused discussion won’t do anything to address the awful realities in the most troubled times and places in the world. But avoiding that style of discussion makes all the difference to our ability to make sense of things.

It’s probably a good time to remind ourselves that this is a discussion thread about search engines, and the guidelines ask us to stay on topic and avoid generic tangents.

Re: Search engines alternatives now that Google isn't Google anymore

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It was actually difficult to find the AI interaction section. But it was useful when I wanted to find some real info on opensource GIS stuff; it helped me aggregate and review. That's the only integration that makes sense to me.

Same to me, been a Kagi subscriber for 2 years and only found the AI tool accidentally when I typed a "?" at the end of the query. It was surprising to not be annoyed by a AI feature for once, now I sporadically use it when it makes sense instead of having it shoved down my throat.

It's good when you know you just want the meat of whatever you're looking for and KNOW every page answering your issue has massive amounts of fluff around it.

Something like "how can I access the root filesystem of proxmox?" and you'll get an instant answer instead of a link to the whole ass Proxmox documentation.

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Maybe not that ridiculous, since one can guess that the underlying thoughts are more about geostrategic concerns than favorite color of the day. The United States (I guess that's also the premise here, I'm not USA citizen myself) has notable rivalries with several countries, including China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, and Venezuela. These nations are often considered adversaries due to various geopolitical tensions a…

> and Venezuela. Isn't that one past tense now, after the US grabbed their leader?

Sure, rapture the leader with only a hundred civil left dead and this is it, everybody in the country now is hearth supporter of those who launched that raid.

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I note the rule reminder, but I very respectfully raise one hell of an eyebrow at the implication that discussions about ranking the significance of dead children by skin colour ought to be conducted curiously, dispassionately and substantively.

This isn’t difficult. HN has existed for nearly two decades and the guidelines have been constant for almost all of that time. Those guidelines apply no matter the topic and there is a very important reason why this line is so close to the top: Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. If the topic is one that you’re unable to discuss without being inflammatory and…

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Yandex is great if youre searching for pirated content or for DMCA'd content that ended up on Gitflic.ru Anti-drm tools are a big case in point. And so is Bypass Paywalls Clean Firefox plugin. All of these have been purged from the "Great American Corporate Firewall". Russian people != Russian govt != Russian companies. I just use the tools that work.

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> Something tells me you're not much of an ethicist.

Not at all.

Ethicists, in my experience, are hacks that cant actually do, but instead loudly pontificate and deride others who can. They basically run gish gallops and whataboutism to get the real creators to stop.

> "Who am I to refuse medical breakthroughs because they came from monstrous human experiments on prisoners of war? If it works it works!" /s

You can sarcasm-tag this all you want, but the medical experiments the Nazies did against Jews, Romani, Gay, mentally disabled, and others WERE used in this way for the US space and rocket initiatives and the creation of NASA. They were already dead, and the data collected. So yeah, we did use them. And we got further ahead by not having to run more experiments. And the data helped save our people.

Its not a great situation, sure. But whats done is done. No sense in whining and bemoaning "ethics" of corpses. Might as well get some good use out of their abject slaughter.

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> Something tells me you're not much of an ethicist. Not at all. Ethicists, in my experience, are hacks that cant actually do, but instead loudly pontificate and deride others who can. They basically run gish gallops and whataboutism to get the real creators to stop. > "Who am I to refuse medical breakthroughs because they came from monstrous human experiments on prisoners of war? If it works it works!" /s You can sa…

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Counter point: https://kagi.com/stats About 70k people are paying at least $5 a month. I've been using the $25 a month plan for nearly 3 years now. I imagine Kagi is doing alright.

Google could loose 70k active users and it wouldn’t even register as a blip. They have like 50,000-60,000 TIMES as many active users. I’m one of those 70k people and support Kagi, and I also strongly believe in companies succeeding and sustaining themselves on a small scale like this. I think our economy would be healthier if it was made of many, many small companies, not a few massive ones. But we can’t argue Kagi i…

A company can be successful without dominating the world.
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