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Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by threethirtytwo »

sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #596
threethirtytwo wrote: post #557

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> Here's a test: Given the opportunity to kill Elon, you probably would. Given that you think Elon is a sociopath or evil incarnate. I'm generally against the death penalty. I'd be fine with just stripping him of his wealth and locking him in prison for the rest of his life. He doesn't need to die, but it would be good to minimize/eliminate his influence on the world.

Right so basically the next worst thing before death.

Man people really are stupid

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by sjsdaiuasgdia »

threethirtytwo wrote: post #601
sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #596

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> Here's a test: Given the opportunity to kill Elon, you probably would. Given that you think Elon is a sociopath or evil incarnate. I'm generally against the death penalty. I'd be fine with just stripping him of his wealth and locking him in prison for the rest of his life. He doesn't need to die, but it would be good to minimize/eliminate his influence on the world.

Right so basically the next worst thing before death. Man people really are stupid

Great crimes demand significant punishment.

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by threethirtytwo »

sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #602
threethirtytwo wrote: post #601

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Right so basically the next worst thing before death. Man people really are stupid

Great crimes demand significant punishment.

Delusional people see crimes where no crimes exist.

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by sjsdaiuasgdia »

threethirtytwo wrote: post #603
sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #602

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Great crimes demand significant punishment.

Delusional people see crimes where no crimes exist.

The destruction of the last vestiges of rule of law in the United States, an act in which Musk played a substantial role, unfortunately means he will likely not be prosecuted - but make no mistake, he has committed many crimes.

And now that we are living in a lawless nation, we will all get to see how bad an idea that is.

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by jongjong »

ryan_j_naughton wrote: post #541
jongjong wrote: post #393

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I think this is missing the main point that Musk was never the owner of OpenAI, neither was Sam, nor the employees. The owners are the American people. I presume Musk got a tax rebate from his donation, courtesy of the taxpayer; so did every other donor. The fact is, OpenAI was a non-profit belonging to the public and it was appropriated by the donors... Who already got their tax cuts. This is setting a precedent tha…

No one owns a nonprofit, so your analogy is fundamentally incorrect and based on a misunderstanding of how nonprofits work. It is actually extremely important that no one “owns” a nonprofit in the way shareholders own a corporation. A nonprofit has no equity owners. It has directors/officers with fiduciary duties, and its assets must be used consistently with its charitable/public-benefit purpose. But to be clear, th…

IMO, those arguments are grasping for specific definitions of 'ownership'. In its essence, the non-profit structure represents the concept of 'public ownership' to the fullest extent possible under the law. Of course, it's missing some characteristics typically associated with private ownership but it has the core component which is "It should serve the public" which mirrors the idea that a corporation should "Serve its shareholders."

I think if the non-profit retained over 50% of the shares of the for-profit subsidiary, a case could have been made that the public-benefit aspect is still dominant. But with only a 26% stake, that argument cannot be made.

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by threethirtytwo »

sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #604
threethirtytwo wrote: post #603

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Delusional people see crimes where no crimes exist.

The destruction of the last vestiges of rule of law in the United States, an act in which Musk played a substantial role, unfortunately means he will likely not be prosecuted - but make no mistake, he has committed many crimes. And now that we are living in a lawless nation, we will all get to see how bad an idea that is.

The US is a lawless nation lol? Talk about delusion.

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by slater »

threethirtytwo wrote: post #606
sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #604

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The destruction of the last vestiges of rule of law in the United States, an act in which Musk played a substantial role, unfortunately means he will likely not be prosecuted - but make no mistake, he has committed many crimes. And now that we are living in a lawless nation, we will all get to see how bad an idea that is.

The US is a lawless nation lol? Talk about delusion.

"rules for thee, not for me"

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by sjsdaiuasgdia »

threethirtytwo wrote: post #606
sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #604

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The destruction of the last vestiges of rule of law in the United States, an act in which Musk played a substantial role, unfortunately means he will likely not be prosecuted - but make no mistake, he has committed many crimes. And now that we are living in a lawless nation, we will all get to see how bad an idea that is.

The US is a lawless nation lol? Talk about delusion.

The president is using the DoJ to represent him in a civil appeal.

The president is creating a slush fund to pay off people who acted violently on his behalf.

The president has declared himself and his family immune from IRS investigation indefinitely.

The president is selling pardons.

The president is running influence schemes in the form of crypto sales and ballroom "donations".

The president is at a minimum enabling the people who are playing the markets (traditional and these new prediction atrocities) in advance of his on again / off again announcements about Iran, tariffs, etc. It's not out of the question that he approves of the activity and/or receives benefits himself.

The president uses mob tactics. Tariffs and DoJ threats are used to run protection rackets. Play along, pay up, and you can make your problems go away. For a bit. They'll be back later and they'll want more.

We are drowning in corruption.

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by ViktorRay »

crossroadsguy wrote: post #569
bambax wrote: post #184

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I'm unfamiliar with the US legal system but do they really need a jury and a trial to determine whether the claims are barred by the statute of limitations? Couldn't this be decided by a judge before trial?

I'll piggyback and I'll ask a hypothetical question: imagine a scenario where there's a jury out there and the lawyers proved something almost perfectly, as perfect as something proven by lawyers can get. Now jury goes to deliberate/discuss and for some reason unanimously decides to rule in a way that goes totally against that proof provided - for any reason (maybe just for the kicks, ignore that; because I guess it…

Things like that have happened before.

It’s called Jury Nullification.

More info below:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by somenameforme »

Veserv wrote: post #584
somenameforme wrote: post #579

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Falcon Heavy reusable is the most $ efficient system at around $1500 $/kg. The Space Shuttle costs were $54,000 $/kg. If you want to nitpick that that's "only" a 97% cost reduction instead of a 99%... well that's the sort of good faith debate I've come to expect from the aforementioned vocal minority in any topic related to Elon, and with all the class you've already demonstrated in your post.

Why are you deceptively bringing up the Space Shuttle? That was never intended to be a serious cost-effective launch vehicle. Also, why are you deceptively talking about 97% and 99% like the difference between 30x and 100x is not a factor of 3? The Ariane 5, first launching in 2003 which is 7 years earlier than the first Falcon 9 launch, had a launch cost of ~150 M$ in 2015 with a payload to LEO of ~16,000 kg for a c…

Because the Space Shuttle is what SpaceX replaced. A 97% discount relative to that is what SpaceX has managed, after a commercial profit margin. 99% is 2 orders of magnitude. So you're here bickering over 2% with all the class that one would expect.
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