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Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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How many in your estimation are moving to EU owned vs just EU hosted?

If you want to sell in Europe now or in the future to any governement ( city, provence, country, ... ). It means EU sovereign cloud. That's literally the primary concern.

I'm not sure you read the question right. You can host American software on a EU sovereign cloud.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Instead of Hetzner, I found UpCloud to be a great EU alternative. Reliable, cheap and supportive.

How's the Object Storage support? did you have any issues? Hetzner looks more stable now but I had a lot of issues with S3 compatible storage a while ago... Almost made me change everything. If you're willing or able to share of course..

Honestly never needed it but here is their page about it: https://upcloud.com/global/products/object-storage/

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Its so silly to see people actually believe the EU is a real sovereign body. The only thing unifying various nationalists within the EU is Americas dominance in the global market and their opposition to it. An EU freed from American (and Chinese) political and market pressures will eventually lead to their various nationalists turning their anger towards whoever gets to sit on top of the EU (probably germany) and fracturing the union. The only other thing uniting "us" all is racism towards black and arab people.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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I think I would move everything too for my hobby projects, if it wouldn’t be that crazy cheap at Cloudflare. I still use external servers in the EU for backend stuff, but CDN, static pages, frontend projects run at Cloudflare for free or the $5 tier. I legit can’t get cheaper than this, till they adjust their pricing.

Their free tier seems way too generous and I suppose this has to be adjusted at some point.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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>I don't think I've seen such a clear shift in public opinion so fast before Its not about public opinion, but rather data sovereignty requirements. Certain types of data must be processed within servers located in the EU, regardless of where the company's HQ is. That's why you see most SaaS platforms nowadays offer a EU-only version.

I disagree, enforcement on data laws in the EU is extremely lacklustre.

Compared to what other enforcements of any data laws?

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Yes. It is both a little funny, and true. Often departments don't even want to start a software project if it is being perceived as "legal and IT are going to have all kinds of opinions on this". When we say everything runs in Europe, by European companies, it actually signals "there will be no problem with GDPR and data sensitivity, and your legal and IT departments won't complain, and the CEO will love it".

Those legal and IT departments of companies favours Microsoft and Amazon, as they are sure they won't get any issue with regulation, or if they do they are the ones who can have better legal representation than a small open source self hosted software. There is just no reason to believe European companies are any better in data privacy. I signed up for Hetzner once and they asked for my passport. Any American company…

It's not about the company per se, it's whether choosing a US vendor exposes you to a capricious US government who has shown it's willing to pull almost any lever to get what it wants.

The US Cloud Act already means no US company can give you legal reassurance of European law compliance - and while some companies have choosen to pretend this isn't the case for convenience - the legal position is clear.

However now there is the prospect of a rogue US government leveraging control of IT infrastructure for extortion or simple theft ( under the guise of national interest ).

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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> Mollie is a Dutch payment processor with full EU incorporation, strong GDPR compliance by design, and a product that has matured considerably in recent years.

So, fully KYC'ed with PoA no older than 6 months, strong residency requirement for at least two generations, half of the payments are rejected based on travel rule, SARs are generated automatically on every transactions and only EC card accepted?

As much as I'd love to move to EU services, a billing system being fully compliant to EU financial regulations should make it almost impossible to actually move money.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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i mean it makes so much sense, cause of the political instability. I recently was at a reception (because of the europe day) and there I talked to some officials that told me that even they don't really know how to to tackle the problems of nowadays. Basically every european state is trying to move its IT infrastructure from the US to Europe and i read somewhere in the news that Aldi is supposed to provide infrastruc…

It is a subsidiary of Lidl: https://www.techzine.eu/news/infrastructure/140634/dutch-cen...

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Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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For the past days I've been participating(albeit over Teams) in a conference relevant to my industry (intel), basically startups and established companies showcasing their products to a closed audience of EU gov. officials. One thing I noticed right away, is that all companies were asked "Can we fully host this from within EU or our country" from the various people in audience. Every single one. Many of the startups…

I’ve been working in a European SaaS for a few years and I’ve even noticed we get more queries about using specially EU providers. In the past AWS eu-west was sufficiently “In Europe” for clients that cared about that but there’s a growing minority that would like us not to use AWS at all. Not in large enough numbers that our company is planning a migration but it’s being discussed in a way it wasn’t in 2024.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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I think the viral quote "Dear America: You are waking up, as Germany once did, to the awareness that 1/3 of your people would kill another 1/3, while 1/3 watches." is probably pretty apt. The IRGC also has real support among the Iranian population. Putin clearly has strong support in Russia. Generally, a lot of people are just not good people.

> Generally, a lot of people are just not good people. Worth remember, no one sees themselves as the "bad people", in each one of those 1/3's point of view, they're the "good people".

..maybe?

I mean, I would have said something exactly like that a few years ago. But first of all, history is full of atrocities committed by humans. They may all have considered themselves good people, but if they were/are objectively not, what does that matter? And secondly, I have encountered people who appear to think that decency is for sissies or something to that effect. Those people seem seriously emboldened lately. Do they think that being a good person is something to aspire to? I don't think so.

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