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Elon is smart and employs many smart people. If the thermodynamics didn't work, they would know. I do wonder if shielding the multi-billion transistor GPUs will be a difficult.

Like point to point rocket travel?

That works, the physics is proven.

It has not been tried commercially yet, so has not failed there, but that is not relevant to my point.

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Elon is smart and employs many smart people. If the thermodynamics didn't work, they would know. I do wonder if shielding the multi-billion transistor GPUs will be a difficult.

The smart people don't care what the endgoal is. They are happily enjoying themselves building hightec. And they earn a lot of money doing so. Elon Musk on the other hand has a construct of multiply billion dollar companies he has to feed and keep alive: xAI investment burns one Billion per month. Space X makes 8 Billion per year. X cost him 40 Billion when he bought it but is not profitable. Tesla struggles to grow,…

This is not relevant to the comment is a reply to.

Go start yet another "Elon is an idiot because I hate his politics" thread.

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Spacex's work is out there ( and I am grateful for the excitement that generates ) but BO work in the shadows, surprising us sometimes with major advances. I suspect BO not as far behind as you think.

They'll remain behind as long as they keep copying SpaceX's concepts since they need to wait and see before they can copy.

I am glad there is competition and BO clearly do enough novel work that calling them copycats is simply incorrect.

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Prediction: SpaceX will launch a handful of GPU-equipped satellites. Maybe they’ll even include some token GPUs on each Starlink satellite so they can throw out some bullshit stats about the vast size of their AI supercluster in space, etc. They’ll be vague about capacity for a few years, and they’ll be building and acquiring data centers on earth “just while we wait for that will unlock overnight massive scaling of…

> just like FSD

Obviously it’s very late, but Tesla now have vehicles in multiple YS cities taxing people with nobody in the front seats.

It’s coming.

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Permanent means self sustaining. I.e biodome completely isolated from outside with its own atmosphere. None of those are self sustaining.

According to this, New York is not permanent settlement because it's not self sustaining.

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So you've only looked at the very loud people talking about this, and not the hundreds of quiet people working on this?

How many smart people worked quietly on Zuck's metaverse for years? How many knew it was never going to work at some point on the line to $70 billion wasted, but thought "hey, maybe I'm wrong, and it's an interesting job that pays well"? How many smart people worked quietly at Theranos, knowing that a drop sample from a thumb was incapable of carrying sufficient blood volume for a legitimate sample, but thought "hey,…

Are there engineering reasons why the Metaverse wouldn't work? I thought it was more about the actual reality of the product, even in its perfect engineered form, still not being that appealing. Or most charitably being ahead of its time.

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there is literally zero evidence to support that assertion

There is also zero evidence to oppose it. We know some things from experience about the long term (1 year or so) effects on human health of 0g (tl;dr: not good). We know very very little about the long-term effects of 0.166g on human health, because it's never been done. (best guess: also not good).

Mice blastocysts develop into embryos in orbital microgravity:

https://www.space.com/international-space-station-mouse-embr...

Skepticism is good, but ignoring related work weakens an argument.

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Raptor is a thing of beauty: https://sxcontent9668.azureedge.us/cms-assets/assets/Raptor_... . Look how polished it is. It looks like a fucking Apple product. The Russians were really good at aerospace. It's a testament to their engineering that it took this long to advance past where they were in the 1970s. I love this video describing the development from the Russian RD270 all the way to Raptor: https://x.com/Erday…

Is that why they never made it to the moon, and did their best to hide fatal failures? They beat the US exactly twice, on two very early records - first manmade object and first human in space. Then they fell behind.

Depends on what you care about.

For years they were the only vehicle taking humans to and from orbit.

Space Shuttle killed more people than Soyuz in fewer launches.

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Not if you first absorb heat with your solar panels. Conservation of energy and all that.

I'm not sure if you're being serious or not? Any use of power turns useful work into heat (conservation of energy and all that), which raises the temperature of the satellite, until radiative cooling can equalize within incoming heat (solar irradiation).

You’re ignoring where the power comes from. Unless you take it up there with you (eg. nuclear material) it has to come from the sun, so you can’t use or emit more energy than the sun hit you with. You can move it around in space and time, but you can’t get on average hotter than a lump of rock in the same spot.

Re: Starship V3

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How many smart people worked quietly on Zuck's metaverse for years? How many knew it was never going to work at some point on the line to $70 billion wasted, but thought "hey, maybe I'm wrong, and it's an interesting job that pays well"? How many smart people worked quietly at Theranos, knowing that a drop sample from a thumb was incapable of carrying sufficient blood volume for a legitimate sample, but thought "hey,…

Are there engineering reasons why the Metaverse wouldn't work? I thought it was more about the actual reality of the product, even in its perfect engineered form, still not being that appealing. Or most charitably being ahead of its time.

True, the Metaverse was a practical product failure, rather than an impossible-in-principle failure. Regardless, a lot of smart people worked a long time trying to make it work, and it was pretty obvious it wouldn't once Zuck demo'ed it and everyone saw a creepy cartoon world, which was all the bandwidth and compute at the time could support.

Grandparent is trying to argue that a lot of smart people working quietly on something confers plausibility upon the premise of their work (i.e., "they must know something you don't"). I've rebutted with two examples showing that large numbers of smart people working on something don't make plausible a premise that is obviously flawed for other reasons [*].

[*] (ETA) and is known at the time by the smart people.

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