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Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Post by AlphaSite »

amluto wrote: post #363
idan wrote: post #265

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Salesforce never understood Heroku. Salesforce's understanding of Heroku, if such an understanding ever existed, was wildly different than what Heroku understood it wanted to be. Benioff's penchant for buying himself a company every year did not help — "no headcount this year, we're buying Mulesoft/Quip/Tableau/Slack/$WHATEVER. And oops we spent too much money on dreamforce. Sucks that your pager rotations are burnin…

> GitHub is not perfect but I don't think it's "degraded faster" at all. It's _grown_ faster. It’s grown in a way that degraded it and that required actual effort. For example: - The fancy new diff viewer frontend that barely works. Someone wrote that code — it didn’t happen by itself. - The unbelievably buggy and slow code review frontend (which is surely related to the diff frontend) was added complexity that did n…

I knew a guy who worked on it tell me actions is just literally a fork from Azure Devops. Which is why it never really fit into GitHub.

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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idan wrote: post #415
margalabargala wrote: post #319

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> "GitHub only gets better if people who give a shit stick around to make it better" This is true but misleading. Unfortunately. It is a true statement for developers working in GitHub at Microsoft. It's not a true statement for users. There is no avenue by which you make GitHub better by continuing to use it as it has been.

I do work at GitHub. I shared the above as a nuanced "yes and" to the pain that Mitchell is feeling. In the same way that Mastodon didn't replace Twitter even when Twitter went to shit, I don't believe in the various GitHub alternatives becoming a broadly-used thing. Maybe we'll end up with more GitHub-alikes like Codeberg, mabye we'll end up with some communities adopting novel forges like Tangled and Forgejo. But i…

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Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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mitchellh wrote: post #26

I know this is ridiculously dramatic, but its the truth: I actually cried writing this blog post (tears hit my keyboard, I'm embarrassed to say). Nobody should cry over a SaaS, of all things. But GitHub has meant so much more to me than that (all laid out in the post). I have an unhealthy relationship with it. Its given me so much and I'm so thankful for it. But, it's not what it used to be. I don't know. We've been…

> I have an unhealthy relationship with it.

You really, really do. Please, for your own benefit, take a step back and touch grass, literally. There is so much more to this world than Github of all things.

> Every day, multiple times per day, for over 18 years... During my honeymoon while my wife is still asleep? Yeah, GitHub

This is addiction

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0xbadcafebee wrote: post #570

It was four years ago that GitHub had major enough outages with their database that they had to issue a press release ( https://github.blog/news-insights/company-news/an-update-on-... ). Five months ago I was actually still recommending GitHub. Then a month ago I left the platform, because I couldn't get shit done anymore. The alternatives aren't great. If any VCs wanna send a couple hundred grand my way, I'd be will…

https://disroot.org/ provides Git hosting (and email, cloud storage, and more). Their annual revenue is about $35k. There's no money in this.

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jbaber wrote: post #509
dannyfritz07 wrote: post #316

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I have had my eye on these technologies for a while. Embedding the issue tracker and such in your git repo. Every day these make more and more sense. - https://gitsocial.org/ - https://radicle.dev/ - https://github.com/git-bug/git-bug

Exactly this. Even though I don't use git-bug anymore, I'm still a sponsor. I desperately want an issue-tracker-in-.git to become a standard. Issues and CI are the only lock-in. The latter is legitimate because you're using someone else's CPU, but every developer has the tooling to "git diff" and write comments if we could just agree on a format.

I have trouble wrapping my head around how to make it so the public can create an issue in your git repo.

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Post by i_think_so »

basilikum wrote: post #41

I never had any positive relation to Github. Free software should be developed on free platforms. So I very much welcome this. Fuck Github. Every single outage Microslop vibe codes is a good thing. But it's very interesting to read about the author's very different perspective. User 1299 in 2008 is wild. His Github account could share the Radler I'm drinking right now with me. I see that it's genuinely sad, but propr…

> I see that it's genuinely sad, but proprietary software and services make you completely dependent on someone else. If you want to rely on something for the future it has to be FOSS, everything else is a rug that will be pulled under your feet eventually.

I'm with ya, but building services at the scale of Github, (even when it was a fledgling) requires resources and budgets that very few FOSS projects can even try for. So any replacement is essentially guaranteed to happen commercially.

The original git model enabled part of what was necessary for a fully distributed social phenomenon, but it didn't even go half way. None of the critical social aspects of Github were, are or will ever become distributed, now that a gatekeeper monopolist owns it.

If you want a true FOSS replacement, it's going to need to do at least an order of magnitude more prep work before launching. We've already seen what we get when somebody puts up a plain git server, and we've seen when a single company extends it to become social with a proprietary, non-distributed model.

A better future requires much, much more up-front work.

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square_usual wrote: post #520
shimman wrote: post #301

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Honestly the arrogance of their workers are truly astounding. It also tracks that someone with little software experience would become GitHub's staff research engineer. Truly a massive signal that we can't let these companies lead the direction of tech in our country.

The state of HN truly has fallen if people are questioning Maggie Appleton's credentials. Besides, she's working on GitHub Next , not the core product. Sheesh.

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Post by i_think_so »

sholladay wrote: post #210

Imagine if MS just did a git revert all the way back to ~2020. That was peak GitHub for me. We got some niceties the first couple of years after the acquisition - free private repos, Sponsors, secret scanning, a new mobile app and CLI - but things were still pretty stable, before their architecture and the little UX touches got destroyed. What a timeline that would be. One can dream.

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Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Post by lacker »

margalabargala wrote: post #319
idan wrote: post #96

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Hi there! Longtime fan and hubber here. It's okay to have emotions. I have similar emotions. I'm GitHub User 22723 which is effectively the same as you (considering there's ~180m GH accounts nowadays) My version of your post reads differently: "GitHub only gets better if people who give a shit stick around to make it better" Walking away would be easy. I felt that way when I left Heroku ~six years ago. I left that jo…

> "GitHub only gets better if people who give a shit stick around to make it better" This is true but misleading. Unfortunately. It is a true statement for developers working in GitHub at Microsoft. It's not a true statement for users. There is no avenue by which you make GitHub better by continuing to use it as it has been.

> There is no avenue by which you make GitHub better by continuing to use it as it has been.

I feel like in a very mundane sense, I pay GitHub for a service, and they use that money to pay developers, to then make GitHub better.

It's tough to be working somewhere when usage is booming, and your service is crashing all the time. It's also tough to migrate your infrastructure between platforms, which it sounds like GitHub finally has to do in order to scale to the next level, to really take advantage of being part of Microsoft, although that has to feel pretty frustrating in the short term.

So hang in there GitHub team. Just keep fixing things.

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