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Re: UAE to leave OPEC

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Post by nkmnz »

ceejayoz wrote: post #438
nkmnz wrote: post #436

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You might be surprised, but a civil union is the only legally binding form of marriage in many countries, e.g. Germany. The Churches - even though they are state churches - aren’t even allowed to provide a wedding ceremony if the civil union hasn’t been performed beforehand. Which different legal provisions do you think make the „religious marriage“ vs. „civil union“ morally equal to „separate but equal“? > Being the…

> You might be surprised, but a civil union is the only legally binding form of marriage in many countries, e.g. Germany. That's great. That's not Israel's setup. > If you cannot think about any group that’s not as bad as Hamas, but worse than Israel, I‘m happy to help… just ask! "Others are worse" is not the moral standard one should aspire to, either.

Israel’s setup is not perfect (and so is the one in Germany), but as long as you cannot show that there is any meaningful legal difference in the eye of the state between a couple that’s married (Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Druze) or in a Civil Union, I cannot see the difference to the system in Germany. I think (not an expert) the system in the UK in the same: you can get married either by the Church of England or by a civil institution - both are valid, both are equal before the law.

Edit: just check it, it’s true. “You can choose to have EITHER a religious ceremony OR a civil ceremony if you’re getting married.” [0]

So since we’ve established that it’s a common practice in some countries that marriages can be either religious or civil, but still equal before the law, could you please elaborate how exactly civil unions in Israel are discriminated against compared to religious marriages?

[0] https://www.gov.uk/marriages-civil-partnerships/plan-your-ce...

Re: UAE to leave OPEC

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Post by ceejayoz »

nkmnz wrote: post #601
ceejayoz wrote: post #438

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You might be surprised, but a civil union is the only legally binding form of marriage in many countries, e.g. Germany. That's great. That's not Israel's setup. > If you cannot think about any group that’s not as bad as Hamas, but worse than Israel, I‘m happy to help… just ask! "Others are worse" is not the moral standard one should aspire to, either.

Israel’s setup is not perfect (and so is the one in Germany), but as long as you cannot show that there is any meaningful legal difference in the eye of the state between a couple that’s married (Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Druze) or in a Civil Union, I cannot see the difference to the system in Germany. I think (not an expert) the system in the UK in the same: you can get married either by the Church of England or by…

Everyone can get (civil) married: Fine!

No one gets (civil) married, everyone can get a civil union: Fine!

Certain people can get (civil) married, others get a civil union: Not fine.

This is very simple. "Separate, but equal" never works.

Re: UAE to leave OPEC

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Post by nkmnz »

ceejayoz wrote: post #438
nkmnz wrote: post #436

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might be surprised, but a civil union is the only legally binding form of marriage in many countries, e.g. Germany. The Churches - even though they are state churches - aren’t even allowed to provide a wedding ceremony if the civil union hasn’t been performed beforehand. Which different legal provisions do you think make the „religious marriage“ vs. „civil union“ morally equal to „separate but equal“? > Being the…

> You might be surprised, but a civil union is the only legally binding form of marriage in many countries, e.g. Germany. That's great. That's not Israel's setup. > If you cannot think about any group that’s not as bad as Hamas, but worse than Israel, I‘m happy to help… just ask! "Others are worse" is not the moral standard one should aspire to, either.

Opting for a separate comment for this one:

> "Others are worse" is not the moral standard one should aspire to, either.

OP stated that all Arabs hate Israel. This opens up the debate if living in an Arabic ethnofascist state such as Gaza or a Muslim fundamentalist state like Saudi Arabia would be the better choice for those 2 million Arabs. So yes, I think being the lesser of two evils is already the answer to that binary choice.

Re: UAE to leave OPEC

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Post by nkmnz »

ceejayoz wrote: post #602
nkmnz wrote: post #601

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Israel’s setup is not perfect (and so is the one in Germany), but as long as you cannot show that there is any meaningful legal difference in the eye of the state between a couple that’s married (Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Druze) or in a Civil Union, I cannot see the difference to the system in Germany. I think (not an expert) the system in the UK in the same: you can get married either by the Church of England or by…

Everyone can get (civil) married: Fine! No one gets (civil) married, everyone can get a civil union: Fine! Certain people can get (civil) married, others get a civil union: Not fine. This is very simple. "Separate, but equal" never works.

But what is the DIFFERENCE between the two, other than the name? Please enlighten me, I cannot find any meaningful information on this.

Also: this kind of discrimination - if there is any - is targeting Arabic and Non-Arabic Israelis in the exact same way. So I don’t fully understand why you pointed this out as an Act of discrimination against Arabs.

Re: UAE to leave OPEC

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Post by constantius »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #454
ceejayoz wrote: post #310

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> No, why? Israel would celebrate. This is directly contradicted by Israel's actions in the Gaza War. Egyptian control of the crossing was not enough, so they took it. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-07/israel-ra...

Israel would object to aid and weapons flows into Gaza. It would be fine with Gazans leaving the Strip. The problem is there are currently zero takers globally for a significant Palestinian refugee population, in part, as other comments have mentioned, due to the history of Palestinian refugee populations in the Middle East. (To my knowledge, Palestinian Americans have been fine and productive members of society.)

Racial theorists are out in full force today.

I do wonder if you all can hear yourself: a lot of subtle implications of genetic defects in Palestinians' character and selective understanding of geopolitics in the region, or just basic societal dynamics.

I invited another commenter to transpose their reasoning to groups it's less popular to openly discriminate, I'd suggest you do the same.

Re: UAE to leave OPEC

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Post by elcritch »

KingOfCoders wrote: post #536
wdr1 wrote: post #526

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> Shouldn’t UAE be upset their entire economy has absolutely rammed by the war started by Israel? It's pretty convoluted logic to blame Israel for Iran attacking the UAE.

The problems the UAE has are not based on Iran attacking the UAE but Iran closing the Strait - which is a direct and foreseeable result of Israel attacking Iran.

The US and Israel attacking Iran. Also with the Saudis heavily lobbying Trump to do it as well.

The Saudi crown prince wants Trump to continue the war still.

1: https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/us-israel-attack-iran-iran-i... 2: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/24/us/politics/saudi-prince-...

Re: UAE to leave OPEC

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Post by SideburnsOfDoom »

laughing_man wrote: post #575
mmooss wrote: post #286

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Lots of things have existed throughout history, yet we have overcome them in the last few hundred years. There is peace in Europe (west of Russia) which had as ancient conflict as Yemen; there is democracy, freedom, women have equal rights in much of the world, starvation and many diseases are mostly overcome, warfare is very rare and not an omnipresent threat, ... Thank goodness our predecessors didn't think this wa…

I wouldn't get too complacent about peace in Europe. The peace in the last 80 years or so was the result of very specific conditions that no longer apply.

The EU is at heart the European peace project, and it very much still applies.

I think your assessment of whatever the "specific condition" is, is wrong.

Re: UAE to leave OPEC

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Post by grumple »

stogot wrote: post #509
grumple wrote: post #495

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Iran%E2%80%93Israel_confl...

That’s 2024, you said the proxies started it in 2023?

Yes, this was about the direct strikes between Iran and Israel.

I assumed you were aware of the most widely publicized conflict in human history, but just in case you’re serious: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_7_attacks

Re: UAE to leave OPEC

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Post by 1293-1827 »

jmyeet wrote: post #532
huntertwo wrote: post #483

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Shouldn’t UAE be upset their entire economy has absolutely rammed by the war started by Israel? At least the Saudis have pipelines - UAE is fucked

It's more complex than that. Saudi Arabia has the East-West Pipeline [1] that takes ~7Mbpd (million barrels per day) of oil to Red Sea ports to avoid the Strait of Hormuz. They were already using it so there's not a lot of extra capacity they can get out. If we continue up the escalation ladder, the next big risk is that the Houthis close Bab al-Mandab, which is a not-quite-as-narrow but still vulnerable chokepoint t…

> So far, the US seems to prefer letting the world burn rather thans plitting with Israel.

That is the plan: After decoupling the EU from Russia gas by provoking the Ukraine war, now it is time for the Asian countries to be cut off from gulf oil/gas, so the US fracking projects become economical and the entire "allied" countries depend on the US petrostate.

It is the only way to preserve US hegemony. Since this long term project is bipartisan, higher gas prices in the US don't matter before the midterm elections.

The only difference in foreign policy between Trump and Biden is that Trump is more risk taking and often spells out the real intentions, such as "we'll take the oil".

Re: UAE to leave OPEC

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Post by grumple »

huntertwo wrote: post #497
grumple wrote: post #495

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Iran%E2%80%93Israel_confl...

First paragraph > On 1 April, Israel bombed an Iranian consulate complex in Damascus, Syria, killing multiple senior Iranian officials.[28] In response, Iran and its Axis of Resistance allies seized the Israeli-linked ship MSC Aries and launched strikes inside Israel on 13 April.[6] Not to mention, Israeli occupations in Syria, Lebanon, Gaza, and the West Bank. Iran is not the only bad actor.

Yes, they hit the building in Syria where Iran and proxy military leadership were meeting two weeks prior. That’s a lot different than attacking another country directly, let alone recklessly targeting civilians as Iran has in every attack they’ve led or had proxies lead.

And it's really important that you understand this was after 45 years of proxy warfare by the Islamic regime against Israel, which resulted in tens of thousands of Israeli dead. This was entirely instigated by the Islamic regime - Iran was friendly with Israel prior to the Islamic revolution. Israel did not pick the fight with Iran, Iran picked the fight with Israel and has maintained it for decades because it drives support for their regime - the holy war is great motivation for the cultists.

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