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Post by scarecrowbob »

tdb7893 wrote: post #392
kmeisthax wrote: post #358

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The liberal media did an absolutely bang-up job covering up Obama's tyranny, and the conservative media wasn't about to start punishing Obama for threatening them with a good time. So nobody in the media talked about it, even though left-wing activists were shouting from the rooftops about the Deporter-in-Chief. Obama might have even campaigned on some of these issues, but DNC insiders are experts at making big promi…

So firstly: no significant group in the US is advocating for "open borders", that term is just a strawman as used in modern politics. Secondly: "open borders is a libertarian policy, not a left-wing one" doesn't really make sense. Saying a particular policy is inherently part of only a single ideology just isn't how ideologies work. Also, if you're looking for anti-statists who view people from all countries as equal…

Oh, that's not true that there aren't folks in the US in favor of "open borders".

There are a lot of us left-libertarians who are in favor of humans having the same rights as capital, we are just easy to ignore because it's not a very big group. But hey, we actually do work instead of just bitching about it, so our impact on ICE is maybe a little outweighed compared to the average Harris-voter who spends their sundays at brunch instead of doing stuff.

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Post by celdon25 »

daytonix wrote: post #179
celdon25 wrote: post #149

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If it helps you feel better, I voted for free speech and feel that the administration did not hold up their end of the deal. The FTC’s recent “debanking” letter to the payment processors is just theater until something changes. I’ll leave it at that.

Ok but why? They did not campaign on freedom of speech or expression, they actively campaigned against both... IMO there are no surprises from this admin, they are doing what they promised.

Who is “they”? I voted on party lines, state, federal, and local. The way that people on the left shut down discussions more readily is what contributed to it, using tactics such as bringing particular candidates into the discussion despite me never volunteering that I was pro-Trump per se in this thread.

It’s probably going to be awhile before I’m sympathetic to the “other” side though (it’s still two sides of the same turd after all), seems some things haven’t changed yet.

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Post by keithnz »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #581
keithnz wrote: post #579

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I think in the second amendment "the people" are quite clearly the citizens so they can secure their own "free" state. Where the first amendment is about limiting what the government can do so they can't make laws against free speech.

How odd that one amendment away the word “people” has two different meanings.

it doesn't. Read the first amendment carefully. People is only used in one specific part, the bulk is about limiting what the lawmakers can do. free speech has no reference to "people"

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Post by orbisvicis »

thin_carapace wrote: post #507
orbisvicis wrote: post #187

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What about the find-my-phone BLE database, for which I just learned modern phones broadcast even when off? Is that controlled by the OS (Google, Apple) and not the carrier?

i mean proprietary baseband blobs already provide a back door , but does anyone have a reference for the perpetual ble broadcast ?

Yeah, but proprietary baseband blobs don't control power, right? So if I turn the phone off, the radio ought to be dead... fingers crossed.

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Post by impossiblefork »

orochimaaru wrote: post #536
Jimmc414 wrote: post #479

The First Amendment applies to everyone on US soil, not just citizens. That’s settled law. The government can revoke visas for legitimate immigration violations, but it’s not allowed to use immigration machinery as a pretext to punish political expression. That’s exactly what they are doing. It looks like the courts will eventually put an end to this [0] but it won’t reverse the damage that’s already been done. I’m g…

Does the government need a reason to revoke a persons visa? First amendment or not, that is the real question. If no reason is needed then whether the first amendment applies or not is moot. There seems to be broad discretion that the government has in revoking visas.

Think like this: in the US you can fire someone for almost any reason, except if it's one of certain forbidden reasons.

Similarly, the US government can revoke someone's visa, but they can't revoke someone's visa because of speech protected by the first amendment.

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Post by celdon25 »

platevoltage wrote: post #466
celdon25 wrote: post #149

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If it helps you feel better, I voted for free speech and feel that the administration did not hold up their end of the deal. The FTC’s recent “debanking” letter to the payment processors is just theater until something changes. I’ll leave it at that.

If only there were signs.

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Post by lukeschlather »

kQq9oHeAz6wLLS wrote: post #503
lukeschlather wrote: post #487

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If that were a uniform stance, maybe, but when it's used for partisan reasons by the party in power it's a different story. That's also not the law, the law is that anyone in the country has the right to free speech. If rights only apply to citizens it is a mockery of the freedoms this country is built on.

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Do you recall an instance where Obama attempted to revoke someone's visa for protesting? I don't believe that happened a single time.

I am generally against deportations for people who haven't committed any violent crime. I don't usually waste my time talking about it when law enforcement is enforcing the laws as written though. From what I saw, Obama was enforcing the law as written. I was often opposed to what he was doing, but I don't find much point in trying to get the president to do illegal things, even if I would prefer the law be different. In fact, if you look at Obama's actions there were quite a few times Obama chose not to deport people for reasons I generally supported, but the courts said it was illegal. So again, even as I might've disagreed, focusing on Obama would be missing the point that the law needs to change, which is something that needs to happen in Congress.

I find the current situation particularly egregious because immigration agents have not only deported legal residents who have committed no crimes nor have they violated any terms of their visas, but also executed American citizens who have committed no crime.

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Post by Barrin92 »

drnick1 wrote: post #133
jfoworjf wrote: post #5

This story is the one that finally pushed me to leave google. I moved off my ~20 year old Google account and deleted everything off their services including almost a decade of Google photos. I cancelled my Google one subscription for extra space. I'm now self hosting what I can and paying proton mail for everything else. I refuse to allow a company that will hand over data at the request of an administrative warrant…

This. The real solution here is to keep your data, encrypted, on your own devices. The idea that everything needs to be in the cloud is absurd and naturally leads to concentration of power.

>encrypted, on your own devices

the entire point of encryption is to facilitate communication across adversarial channels, if you want to keep your data in a locker you don't need encryption, and if you use encryption you can keep it stored in North Korea for all it cares

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Post by celdon25 »

vel0city wrote: post #176
celdon25 wrote: post #149

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If it helps you feel better, I voted for free speech and feel that the administration did not hold up their end of the deal. The FTC’s recent “debanking” letter to the payment processors is just theater until something changes. I’ll leave it at that.

> the administration did not hold up their end of the deal Trump? Not holding up his end of the deal? Who could have seen that coming!

Oh don’t get me wrong, I’m unironically looking forward to the other shoe dropping next term, so that we can finally get a generation of politicians that can bring on the great reset. Too much legacy software running on the kernel and it can no longer be maintained.

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Post by incognition »

orbisvicis wrote: post #187
wmil wrote: post #86

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Cell carriers sell geofenced data about cell phones in an area at a given time to anyone. There's zero privacy. KYC laws mean that his carrier has his name and email address and the feds probably got that without anyone informing the customer.

What about the find-my-phone BLE database, for which I just learned modern phones broadcast even when off? Is that controlled by the OS (Google, Apple) and not the carrier?

Use a faraday pouch
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