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Re: Our commitment to Windows quality

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Post by bikelang »

gzread wrote: post #571
PaulKeeble wrote: post #469

Microsoft has spent over a decade swimming against their users interests at this point and during that time frame Linux has been improving its desktop and improving kernel performance. We are now at the point where Linux emulating Window's entire API space for games with worse drivers is dangerously close on performance with none of the privacy invasion and anti user features. Its pretty late in the game for them to…

Linux works about as well on the desktop as it did in 2003 - if you know what you're doing, you can make it work, and if not, you can still run a browser but most things won't work for you. Linux is better than Windows on the desktop because Windows got worse, not because Linux got better. Unless you mean for gaming. That was Valve's exit strategy from Windows.

I’m relatively new to Linux desktop and this hasn’t been my experience at all. What do you think doesn’t work?

Re: Our commitment to Windows quality

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Post by userbinator »

kbelder wrote: post #272

>More fluid and responsive app interactions: Reducing interaction latency by moving core Windows experiences to the WinUI3 framework. I think this is good, because they're talking about removing (hideously inappropriate) react and other web technologies from core OS components, and using proper native OS calls instead. But I'm not familiar with WinUI3. I only know Win32. Is WinUI3 a flash-in-the-pan system like their…

That sounds like the same bullshit they spouted when they tried to shove the "modern app" crap with Win8.

There's nothing wrong with Win32 (and everything wrong with the newer stuff); "interaction latency" was just fine on a single-core 33MHz 486 running Windows 95.

Re: Our commitment to Windows quality

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Post by StilesCrisis »

MindSpunk wrote: post #572
mitkebes wrote: post #503

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> sometimes more performant. That's usually due to: 1. Converting directX into Vulkan (potentially very large performance gains) 2. Less OS overhead (usually minor gains)

> Converting directX into Vulkan (potentially very large performance gains) That's not at all how that works. DirectX12 isn't slow by any stretch of the imagination. In my personal and professional experience Vulkan is about on par depending on the driver. The main differences are in CPU cost, the GPU ultimately runs basically the same code. There's no magic Vulkan can pull out of thin air to be faster than DX12, the…

Not all games are DX12 though.

Re: Our commitment to Windows quality

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Post by hdivider »

PaulKeeble wrote: post #469

Microsoft has spent over a decade swimming against their users interests at this point and during that time frame Linux has been improving its desktop and improving kernel performance. We are now at the point where Linux emulating Window's entire API space for games with worse drivers is dangerously close on performance with none of the privacy invasion and anti user features. Its pretty late in the game for them to…

I really hope you're right. The challenge with Linux still seems to be practicalities -- like in particular, does Zoom run well on most distributions?

Reports seem to be of system crashes and degraded performance. I imagine there are lots of 'it works for me' stories, but think: for Linux to eat into Windows user market share (which I would greatly support), critical things like Zoom have to work at least as reliably as on Windows. For nontechnical users who would never figure out which incantations to type into the terminal to fix it -- because they have their next meeting in 15 minutes.

Re: Our commitment to Windows quality

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Post by hsuduebc2 »

I don't want to be just purely negative but I refuse to believe the sentiment of this post. For years they have been told that windows have pretty shit annoying features which they keep implementing and only thing they did was implement more absolutely useless chatbots all over the place. I do not belive that this is genuine effort to making a better product or answer to ongoing massive enshittifaction of microsoft products to squeeze more money. Maybe people started to leave them for Apple and they noticed?

Re: Our commitment to Windows quality

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Post by alright2565 »

applfanboysbgon wrote: post #410
anal_reactor wrote: post #390

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Linux just isn't friendly to newcomers. 1. Lots of rough edges "yeah it almost works if you tweak it a little" yeah thank you but no. 2. CLI is better for doing the thing you want, but GUI is better for discovering what options you have in the first place. The fact that GUI is an afterthought on Linux says a lot.

Not only is GUI better for discovery, it's not even always true that CLI is better for doing the thing you want. Depending on the complexity of the task, building a tower of CLI commands/arguments can be a pain, and if it's something you do ~once a month, good luck remembering the syntax. A GUI lets you not even have to think about it, not have to memorise syntax or go out of your way to write a script to save it. An…

We're in the age of LLMs and this is exactly what they shine at. Just the other day I got tired of Libre office having some crappy custom file picker.

"Claude, change the libre office file picker to the system default"

"Beep boop it is done"

Linux has a big leg up over windows in this regard because all the GUIs are essentially wrappers around CLIs and text files that LLMs can deal with quite well.

Re: Our commitment to Windows quality

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Post by asveikau »

hdivider wrote: post #605
PaulKeeble wrote: post #469

Microsoft has spent over a decade swimming against their users interests at this point and during that time frame Linux has been improving its desktop and improving kernel performance. We are now at the point where Linux emulating Window's entire API space for games with worse drivers is dangerously close on performance with none of the privacy invasion and anti user features. Its pretty late in the game for them to…

I really hope you're right. The challenge with Linux still seems to be practicalities -- like in particular, does Zoom run well on most distributions? Reports seem to be of system crashes and degraded performance. I imagine there are lots of 'it works for me' stories, but think: for Linux to eat into Windows user market share (which I would greatly support), critical things like Zoom have to work at least as reliably…

How many hours has Zoom put into making the client stable on Windows and Mac?

How many hours have they put into the Linux client?

My guess is the answer to these questions indicate more of how it got there than anything the distros or upstream components can do.

Re: Our commitment to Windows quality

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Post by lp0_on_fire »

bigyabai wrote: post #518
999900000999 wrote: post #499

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Normal people can not install an OS. Aside from like 3 ThinkPads on Lenovo's website, you can't really buy Linux pre installed on a computer. This is about the MacBook Neo coming for the budget laptop market. At 500$ it's an easy choice.

Normal people can definitely install an OS. Last weekend I set aside time help a friend install CachyOS. They'd never used a terminal before and wanted some help. When I called them, they had already set it up and was playing Risk of Rain 2. They started streaming for me on the Discord Flatpak they installed from the app store.

I don’t disagree that installing windows/macos and certain Linux distros can be stupid easy but to a layman it’s daunting.

In my experience most people who use a computing device may be able to tell me “this is window” or “this is Mac” by virtue of the branding being all over the stuff but for all intents and purposes these things are appliances.

In the same way most people except ambitious DIYers don’t rip apart their 500-1000 dollar washing machine to replace a worn belt the call a repair guy. Or in your case, have a buddy who knows how to do it.

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