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Re: New accounts on HN more likely to use em-dashes

#601

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2040 at Wal-Mart: - Customer: Excuse me, I'm looking for the Aunt Jemima maple syrup. Can you point me in the right direction? - Employee: y u ask like chatbot

Interesting use of "Aunt Jemima" that nobody caught on, why did you use this particularly, afaik it doesn't exist anymore for being "racist"?

Maybe the fashions will have swung against woke by 2040?

Re: New accounts on HN more likely to use em-dashes

#602
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I'm still salty that I can't use em-dashes anymore for fear of my writing being flagged as AI generated. Been using them for years—it's just `alt+shift+-` on a Mac keyboard and I find them more legible in many fonts compared to the simple dash on the typical numpad. It's so sad to me that good typographical conventions have been co-opted by the zeitgeist of LLMs.

Exactly. I got that habit from LaTeX and like it because it brings us closer to real typography.

And I will still use them -- fully aware that some people will complain about AI and whatnot.

Re: New accounts on HN more likely to use em-dashes

#603

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But then it looks like I'm using a double smiley[0] which I do actually use on occasion [0] :))

You could use a bracket in the smiley (like this :]) as is sometimes used when nesting parentheticals.

I sometimes do the opposite and use brackets for the parentheticals [like this :)]

Re: New accounts on HN more likely to use em-dashes

#605
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I don't think that's true at all. One of the things HN does is not let you interact in certain ways until you've earned sufficient karma. This is a basic proof-of-work. If your bot can't average a positive karma, then it'll never get certain privileges. Not to say the system is perfectly tuned for bots, because it's not. The point is that proof of identity is not the only option.

They get the privilege of immediately polluting the website with LLM-generated comments. Many of them sound and look completely normal and have others on here interacting with them. They don't use em dashes, sometimes they'll use all lowercase text, sometimes the owner of the bot will come out and start commenting to throw you off. All examples I've witnessed here. HN should immediately start implementing at least so…

I do agree that bots are or will be an existential risk for every online forum. But I also think that an attempt to fix it that takes away anonymity is a cure that's worse than the disease.

My best understanding is yes -- there are signal that somebody is a bot (like how quickly they post), but if HN bans based on those signals then whoever made the bot will keep tweaking the code.

I feel like I rarely see bots in the top 5 comments of any article I read, or otherwise causing major disruption.

I think we just need to get creative about ways a platform can prove somebody is an invested human without tying it back to any personally identifiable information.

Re: New accounts on HN more likely to use em-dashes

#606

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unrelated but I've never understood how to put a smiley at the end of parenthetical sentences (which comes up surprisingly often for me since I use smileys a lot and also like using parentheses). Just the smiley as an end parentheses (like this :) feels off but adding another parentheses (like this :) ) makes it look like it should be nested which causes problems since I also tend to nest parenthetical sentences (lik…

allow me to introduce my friend – turned smiley here he is: ´◡` (quite useful for brackets ´◡`) you can find him on windows by pressing Win + ; not as fast as typing, but quite faster then typing and then wondering if thats too much brackets or too little

I love kaomoji so I use this on occasion but nothing can match the subtle passive aggressiveness and level of expression unmatched by anything else :)

Re: New accounts on HN more likely to use em-dashes

#607

This feels like an existential threat to HN, and to the general concept of anonymous online discourse. Trust in the platform is foundational, and without it the whole thing falls down. Requiring proof of identity is the only solution I can think of, despite how unappealing it is. And even then, you'll still have people handing their account over to an LLM. I really struggle to imagine a way around it. It could be tha…

Prevent pasting comments. Implement a naive check for time spent typing the comment, and shadowban posts that don't pass the criteria. Add a 1 minute wait and captcha for posting. That'd drastically reduce the amount of low effort posts, both human-written and generated.

Have the output of the LLM sent to a headless browser that "types" and submits the comment as necessary, with some randomness added for authenticity.

Or, since this would need to be done in javascript, just block or rewrite the javascript and fake the output in the sent request.

Simplistic solutions like this stopped being meaningful decades ago.

Re: New accounts on HN more likely to use em-dashes

#608
post #50

I'm still salty that I can't use em-dashes anymore for fear of my writing being flagged as AI generated. Been using them for years—it's just `alt+shift+-` on a Mac keyboard and I find them more legible in many fonts compared to the simple dash on the typical numpad. It's so sad to me that good typographical conventions have been co-opted by the zeitgeist of LLMs.

I would add a disclaimer to the end of all my posts. (Disclaimer: the use of em-dashes doesn't prove this was AI-generated — I can assure you I wrote this myself.)

For all anyone knows, you just prompted the LLM to include that, or had a script append it.

Re: New accounts on HN more likely to use em-dashes

#609
post #538

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And by the way, what the Hell is up with all these people claiming that two spaces is an obsolete typewriter-era pre-proportional-font thing? Narrow proportional spaces make two spaces after a period MORE important for visually separating sentences. Is it old fashioned to think logically?

It’s old fashioned to think that space in the input relates to space in the output.

Yes, I find it useful while editing regardless of the final rendering. Maybe it's a quirk of how I process information visually, or a holdover from learning to type on an avocado green Selectric.

Re: New accounts on HN more likely to use em-dashes

#610

Most people want to avoid looking like AI, ut what if you want to blend in with the robot uprising. I present ⸻ the U+2E3B dash.

For anyone wondering what this is actually used for:

> ...primarily used in scholarly and literary contexts to indicate a significant omission within a quoted passage, typically representing a full line, paragraph, or even multiple sentences of text

https://graphemica.com/%E2%B8%BB

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